129: MCU Phases 4, 5, & 6

The Flow Roll Podcast · 129: MCU Phases 4, 5, and 6

Edgar OtraVez, Cousin Primo, and Fredo review Phase 4 and give their best predictions on Phases 5 and 6 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. The guys look back at phase 4 of the MCU and talk about what they liked and did not like. They also talk a little about the latest version of Atlantis in the MCU, Talocan. Some other topics they get into are Ghost Rider, The Darkhold, Ms. Marvel, Wanda Vision, Loki, and Antman’s podcast.

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0:00 – Edgar OtraVez
Hey, what’s up my people. This is Edgar OtraVez, and welcome to another episode of the Flow Roll Podcast. Now I know it’s been a while and forgive me. But it’s been a busy, busy summer, I just had to take a break, all kinds of stuff was flying at me and I needed to chill. So just know that we’re still hustling. Now for today’s episode, I have cousin Primo, and Fredo and we’re going to be doing a review of the MCU phase four. And we’re going to talk through some of the upcoming movies and phases five, and six. And just our overall predictions as to what Phase Five and six will look like. We’ll also get a little ahead of ourselves and maybe place a few ideas for phase seven, which is just not even in the picture yet. But whatever. Now if you’re new to the show, and you want to find out more about us, head on over to our website, the flowrollpodcast.com. There you’ll find a complete catalogue of all our episodes and a store where you can buy some merchandise and support the podcast. I also want to ask a big favor. And if you dig the episode, make sure you head over to wherever you get your podcasts at. And like, subscribe, comment, and give us a review. Man, we get super geeky on this one. I mean, super geeky cousin primo really shows off his knowledge of the comic book genre. I hope you dig this episode. Now along with the show. Alright, welcome to another episode of the Flow Roll Podcast. This is Edgar OtraVez. And we are back man. So like, it’s been a while. I know it’s been a while it’s just been a hectic summer. And it’s just been really, really like you got really difficult to start making episodes. Right at the end of right at the beginning of the summer. And at one point I was just like, Man, I’m just gonna take a break. He was on hiatus now is just like, you know, got really, really rough to like, try to make an episode. You know, an episode takes at least eight hours to try to crank out and so there’s all that and then, and then it was just like, there’s vacation and there’s this and I got COVID and I got that and he’s just said what happened? Yeah, I was on vacation. And I got I got COVID and I spent the whole time on vacation. Sick, like it started with a headache. And I just it just kept cruising around with a headache. And I just like I just couldn’t do it, you know, and then I came back and then I was in a funk band. Like and then it wasn’t till earlier this week, but I’ve been itching to get back into pockets. You and I and even Fredo and a bunch of the other guys, you know, I’ve been talking to you guys. And it’s like man, I gotta get I gotta get another episode gone. Right so and we miss it a few things like you know, Stranger Things, Miss Marvel all those things, but we can talk we can talk about Miss Marvel here because in this podcast, we’re going to do the MCU we’re going to review phase four. We’re gonna talk about Phase Five. And we’re gonna look forward to phase six and talk as much about that as we can. So let’s get in it man let’s let’s talk about phase four.

3:17 – Cousin Primo
Before you do all that you need to introduce who else is

3:19 – Edgar OtraVez
Oh, sorry. That’s right. So on the show today I have cousin primo of course in my home and my homie Fredo and yeah, so yeah, you see that just goes to show how long it’s been since I did an episode right

like forgetting how to do this shit

3:44 – Fredo
where did the intro go and the end

3:49 – Edgar OtraVez
where I’ll record it I’ll just edit it put it in

3:53 – Cousin Primo
place this part over here over there and yeah, so to get that

4:00 – Edgar OtraVez
to where it’s going yeah

phase four. So we got you know I gave you guys the list so that we can go through Phase four right and then you guys are like you don’t have the shows on here

4:14 – Cousin Primo
well shows are important part of the MCU

4:17 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah, no, absolutely. And I didn’t do that on purpose. It was just like you know you you’re trying to do 100 things at once and

forget all of you know

so Okay, so then

4:30 – Fredo
I got like you had us to

4:35 – Edgar OtraVez
know was afraid or was it you like I don’t want to read on your parade man but you forgot some shit

4:39 – Fredo
jointly we’re like

4:42 – Cousin Primo
to ruin his day you

4:48 – Edgar OtraVez
know, I appreciate you guys telling me before so that we can

4:51 – Cousin Primo
like should we tell him before he makes copies or after?

4:55 – Edgar OtraVez
After after he may go back and make you know I’m not gonna go me go It took me a while to just make the copies I’ve made, you know, so I was like, No, well, you know, we’ll just set the fucking, you know, because I mean, phase four is easy, right? Like, we just we just rattle off the shows that we talked about prior to starting. Exactly. But anyway, let’s let’s get into it. So phase four overall, not as strong as phase was one, two and three. Right. I mean, are we in a general agreement of that? You know, movie wise?

5:29 – Fredo
Yeah, many movies. Well,

5:31 – Edgar OtraVez
there was. There was plenty movies. Yeah, they’re just not as good.

5:35 – Cousin Primo
They’re all spread out.

5:37 – Edgar OtraVez
Well, it’s like we have Black Widow.

5:41 – Fredo
Ended yet let’s,

5:42 – Edgar OtraVez
yeah, that’s true, too. Right. Right. It’s

5:45 – Fredo
still we’re still in it. We’re still in it.

5:46 – Edgar OtraVez
There’s one more movie that I am really looking forward to and mind you and get

5:51 – Fredo
actually, you know, make phase four even. And worthwhile. Yeah, writing the things maybe worth?

6:00 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Because like this, it hasn’t been the strongest phase. Because even Phase One had ups and downs. Right. Yeah, one

6:09 – Fredo
is more like a more along the lines of phase one, because we just got through a big saga. Right. So right, which was kind of resetting, we lost characters in the last saga. So

6:23 – Cousin Primo
you’re right about that. But I think phase four, their shows were more stronger than

6:28 – Fredo
that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That’s what I was gonna say is like the movie was on the movie side. It wasn’t.

6:33 – Cousin Primo
I mean, don’t get me wrong. There were maybe one or two movies that were very outstanding. And this was

6:38 – Fredo
the first phase where they introduce shows that are part of the MCU because we’ve had Marvel shows, but they haven’t been, they have been like, like, not canon. I guess you could say like,

6:50 – Edgar OtraVez
yeah, I don’t know if you can call them canon. Exactly. Yeah, right. And everything that’s off canon is is getting brought in via a different time. Right, right. Which is in gene

7:01 – Fredo
and then some are getting left out which is

7:04 – Edgar OtraVez
oh, look at shield, right. Yeah.

7:07 – Cousin Primo
But they didn’t there there was there was a part of it that when they did mention the invasion when Thor The Dark World, they didn’t heal that shield

7:18 – Edgar OtraVez
mentions everything that happens in the MCU. Exactly. But not the other way around. No, no, no. Like they like like nobody, nobody in the mirror up here.

7:28 – Fredo
Didn’t Nick Fury, Nick Fury

7:30 – Edgar OtraVez
appeared in shield theory.

7:32 – Cousin Primo
So did the Valkyrie know what not the backwards? Oh, you’re right, one of the one of the Thor characters, right? The female

7:39 – Edgar OtraVez
I can’t remember. But then

7:41 – Fredo
again, that was like the early whenever. I think the first season when there was when they were trying to like, like, merge the show. Yeah, after after second third, it just kind of they did their own thing. Exactly. Yeah. And then the MCU started, kinda,

8:00 – Edgar OtraVez
and it’s unfortunate, because there were some interesting things about that show. And I did keep up with it to a certain point after a while, it’s just like, I’m done. You know?

8:08 – Cousin Primo
Yeah, I actually watched the entire series. You see,

8:11 – Edgar OtraVez
I almost did that. But here’s why. The moment Kevin Feige was like, Nah, that’s not canon. And then I was like, then why am I watching this? There’s so much other shit that I need to watch. I’m not gonna I’m not gonna keep up with this. So I stopped watching it.

8:26 – Cousin Primo
Like I watched it because women watch one division shield does not exist. It’s called the sword Well,

8:36 – Fredo
what they’re different there’s different Yeah,

8:40 – Cousin Primo
is it really because they didn’t want to mention shield at all? Yeah,

8:44 – Edgar OtraVez
no because shield is gone now right? She

8:46 – Cousin Primo
was gone because that’s

8:49 – Edgar OtraVez
the new the new shield

8:50 – Cousin Primo
right but like there’s there’s there’s a time paradox and Agents of SHIELD where they make it so that shield does not exist.

9:03 – Edgar OtraVez
Oh, like they they go back and they kill it right right. So it never becomes

9:07 – Cousin Primo
never because so then when agent when that series started the one with one division. They’re saying that shields have made it seem like shield never existed. Well, no, I

9:18 – Fredo
just thought they were pretty much doing away with it or because it was infiltrated by Hydra. Right. Kind of disbanded, and then maybe other agencies grew out of that. Yeah. And

9:31 – Edgar OtraVez
that’s exactly how I took it. I took Okay, yeah, sort and that’s where sore comes from, because you can’t you can’t undo Nick Fury, Nick Fury still around.

9:39 – Cousin Primo
Right? He’s still around.

9:40 – Edgar OtraVez
You know, I think what happened was once Kevin Feige was like, No, this is not a show anymore. That is part of the MCU then they were like, Well fuck it like what a you know, we can do whatever we want now. Yeah, sure. Well, one of the things that is interesting is is that there is talk of that quick character coming into The MCU somehow, they’re going to introduce all these characters just like the introduced blackbolt in a destructive strange multiverse of man. Is this too long of a

10:09 – Cousin Primo
fucking title? Just say doc to the doctor strange to me.

10:13 – Edgar OtraVez
I like that. Yes. So that was back to everybody knows what we’re talking about.

10:19 – Cousin Primo
Right? And if you don’t, you’re a rock show.

10:23 – Edgar OtraVez
So yeah, Dr. Strange, multiverse evangelists are doc to like, that was cool, because they introduced a whole new bunch of characters or old characters and made them new again, right? And so now we’re in the TIFF, they they’re doing the whole timeline thing. They’re there. They’re making certain things canon and you know, Kevin Feige can be like, Okay, I like this. I’m gonna put it in the timeline. Boom, there you go, drag and drop, whatever I like, all this other shit can go away. Right? But like, I would love to see Ghostrider right. You know whether they bring in the Mexican character version of that guy that wasn’t in shield wasn’t sure. I would love to see that guy. Because he seemed like he was an interesting take on the care.

11:06 – Cousin Primo
Yeah, but that’s not ghostwriter, though. That’s ghostwriter. No, that is a demon who’s posing as the spirit of vengeance.

11:14 – Edgar OtraVez
No way. Yeah, it wasn’t Ghostrider

11:18 – Cousin Primo
come I didn’t big ghostwriter. Fan. So i That’s why I love ghostwriter,

11:23 – Edgar OtraVez
too, and I started trying to watch that show because it goes right and I never got a chance. Because that’s where I kind of broke off. Like right at there. Right around that time. I was about to break off. And then I was like, what the guy fucking goes straight in this

11:36 – Cousin Primo
variation of supportive ghostwriter is very, very cool. I love the fact that he’s driving a muscle car, but it’s not Ghost Rider. But it’s not Ghost Rider. Why isn’t a demon that is posing as one of the spirits of vengeance because there’s technically there’s variations of it, but he is not. So do what I wish I could remember. It’s not him.

I can tell you that now.

12:01 – Edgar OtraVez
That fucking sucks.

12:02 – Cousin Primo
yeah, but there he is now considered now that one of the spirits of vengeance. Oh, really? Yeah. So by the end of the show, or what, what this is what’s going on? They’re saying that at one point, there will be a series based on that character and that character with a whole cruel or not spiritual engines. We’re looking at what they’re called as the dark old Redeemers because the book was already introduced, and Dr. Strangelove do

12:34 – Fredo
that in the MCU. But yeah, Agents of SHIELD series also had their own dark code,

12:39 – Cousin Primo
right book.

12:40 – Fredo
Another reason why that world are women because they have their book and then

12:45 – Edgar OtraVez
did you watch Dr. Strange I watched her. Okay, so like there’s a dark hole in every every universe or timeline.

12:52 – Cousin Primo
There’s a dark hole in every universe. Actually, they’re saying that it’s everywhere at the same time, doing the same thing. I’ve had a complex series there’s the dark over Demers, and then there’s the spirits of engines and then there’s blade. Yeah. Okay, and they’re all mixed into this thing where they’re all trying to reassemble the book. Because there’s a little crazy little L dwarf that holds one of the strongest pages of the dark cold. And he keeps giving away pages of the book that cause chaos. Okay, if they bring back a ghostwriter, I would love to see him in that too because I sort of dig that character it was kind of cool

13:35 – Edgar OtraVez
yeah, forgive me I was tweaking the sound here I was paying attention is just I’m looking to stop the sound was a little low and so I was just making sure that just dropping soon

13:43 – Cousin Primo
as I said it wasn’t my game ghosts were talking

13:50 – Fredo
we were doing I wasn’t recording

13:55 – Cousin Primo
did that again I don’t think it was updating again.

14:02 – Edgar OtraVez
Fight here I don’t like this distance now. Now I don’t realize

14:05 – Cousin Primo
how this conversation is going. Yeah, meikles rendering real.

14:13 – Edgar OtraVez
blew up the sign I’m sure now it’s too hot. But whatever. Yeah, dude, like, cuz I mean, there has been talk about ghosts, right. And not to get too deep into ghostwriter, but like they want to do a dark series of superheroes. Right? Right. So what’s it called the spirits of vengeance. The Midnight suns are

14:32 – Cousin Primo
the rise of midnight suns. But

14:33 – Edgar OtraVez
part of that crew is Morbius

14:36 – Cousin Primo
Morbius. Doctor Strange ghost writer ghost writer to vengeance. Johnny Blaze and oh blade know the name of that? No blade Balu that vampire that came on in Blade three. The guy who got cured Oh,

14:52 – Edgar OtraVez
I know you’re talking about Blade Trinity.

14:57 – Fredo
That’s the movie.

14:58 – Cousin Primo
Blade Trinity the movie. Last, the third one, there was a guy called,

there was a

15:03 – Edgar OtraVez
I don’t remember that movie.

15:04 – Cousin Primo
What’s his name? The guy who played Ryan Reynolds playing Reynolds, that character deck guy is a vampire.

15:11 – Edgar OtraVez
What do you see? You can’t have that guy because, you know, he’s Ryan Reynolds.

15:16 – Cousin Primo
With Thanos Yeah, this guy now he’s capable. Well,

15:19 – Edgar OtraVez
you see, you get away with with that guy because he was yeah, he was capable. And he was panels, but there’s, there’s plenty of makeup where you be like, Okay, it’s not the same character.

15:28 – Fredo
I think it’s been long enough. I don’t think anybody remembers. Yeah, it can be anybody.

15:32 – Edgar OtraVez
But in terms of like,

15:34 – Cousin Primo
think about, they’re not even using Wesley Snipes play.

15:38 – Edgar OtraVez
Not to get too nerdy with this. But the three characters you mentioned, there are three different characters. There’s Johnny Blaze, because Johnny Blaze was a ghostwriter. Right? And then there’s ghost writer, whoever inhabits the ghost writer character, because ghost writers, like we said, like a spirit or a demon or whatever that inhabits someone that possesses someone. And then there’s the spirit of vengeance. So like a ghost rider on on steroids. Yeah, exactly. He is like a souped up version of Ghost Rider. And he looks super crazy. In fact, when he first appeared on the comics, like in the 80s, he looked cool, man, because you just put spikes on something anymore, and it was cool. I don’t know if that’ll fly anymore. But you know, we need another ghostwriter. Oh, let’s call them spirit of vengeance and using some spikes

16:23 – Cousin Primo
on Avengers, but his real name was they call them just he said vengeance. Okay. And the thing was, is that everybody, I, I don’t remember who he was.

16:31 – Edgar OtraVez
I don’t think he was anyone that he was. I think he was just, he was just, or at least when I was reading them. He was just him. He was just a demon. And I don’t know, I can’t remember how he appeared or whatever. But he was just, he was separate from ghostwriter. And he was like,

16:46 – Cousin Primo
he was haunting ghost writer. He was evil. Yeah, he was in NAB actually became a good guy.

16:52 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah. Okay, so now we’re getting in the weeds. We got to move on. But we can almost do a whole podcast and just call Strider

16:59 – Fredo
who, who said he was interested in playing Ghost Rider if they’re

17:03 – Cousin Primo
that guy from The Walking Dead,

17:06 – Fredo
or no. Well, Ryan Gosling that guy.

17:08 – Edgar OtraVez
Oh, yes. I did hear that rumor.

17:10 – Fredo
They didn’t even ask Kevin Feige

about like, what do you think about this guy? He says he’s he’s to play with Ghost Rider. Yeah. He’s just like, Oh, he’s a good actor. Yeah. We didn’t

17:20 – Edgar OtraVez
say yes. Motherfucker. We’ll give you anything. He won’t give you anything.

Okay, well, I’ll just, we’ll move on. But yeah, that that would be an interesting choice. Yeah, I mean, he’s young. And he’s very fairly popular are young enough. I should say enough. Yeah. You know, where he can play the character. I think he would do a good job. I

17:41 – Fredo
don’t think he’s ever done a superhero movie.

17:43 – Edgar OtraVez
No, I think he would be cool for it. He would fit the role. I think only that

17:47 – Cousin Primo
conversation Yeah, today. Yeah, there’s

17:51 – Fredo
this guy from walking dead would also be he already kind of looks the part who kind of lives that lifestyle. The

17:58 – Edgar OtraVez
bikers? Which Which guy? You’re not talking about the bad guy, right? The guy with the Oh, no, no,

18:04 – Cousin Primo
no, you’re talking about his brother.

18:08 – Fredo
Yeah, that guy is a little normal.

18:10 – Edgar OtraVez
To see us. He might be getting a little tool. Yeah, yeah. I think he’s great if he was younger, but I mean, yeah, he is that guy. But I think he even has like a like a biker show. I can’t remember the name of it. But yeah, I know what you’re talking about. So

18:26 – Fredo
yeah, he kind of already lives that Ghost Rider live.

18:30 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah, he would be he would be a perfect way

18:32 – Cousin Primo
to mind me know like, like,

18:35 – Edgar OtraVez
there’s the milestones are biker show.

18:37 – Fredo
Yeah, but that’s like, scripted show. The show he does like not

18:42 – Cousin Primo
one of those reality reality show. Are

18:44 – Edgar OtraVez
you serious? Yeah.

I had no idea and I mean, yeah,

I thought it wasn’t like Yeah. Moving on, I’m just our general thoughts on the MCU. Phase four has been kind of weak, except for like the shows.

19:00 – Fredo
What are your top three as far as faithful? Oh,

19:03 – Edgar OtraVez
spider man the way home number one. That’s number one. Shang chi number two, maybe Dr. Strange.

19:10 – Cousin Primo
Those are my three picks. Yeah,

19:11 – Edgar OtraVez
I mean, I feel that whatever. Black Panther will kind of Forever we

19:16 – Fredo
will. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I guess I think it’s not right. Or yeah, we can’t really

say I’m three years because we can.

19:23 – Edgar OtraVez
But um, it fits right now. Yeah, yeah. But I’m, I’m Yeah, because Black Panther will kind of forever will be the end of this phase. But I’m thinking that they’re going to finish strong with that particular movie. I think it’s going to be really really good. Because Dr. Strange and Thor love and thunder although both good enough movies. I don’t know if I would urge anybody to go see them in the theater. You know, because like that’s one of the questions people say to me, you know, this is like, hey, you know, or asked me, this is like Would would you recommend me see it in movies, or should I just wait till digital And I’m like, Just wait for those two movies.

20:02 – Fredo
Yeah, yeah. Dr. Strange. I enjoyed it. And I think mostly based on the fact that it was directed by Sam Raimi and his style of filmmaking. It’s a lot of fun.

20:14 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah. Yeah. They’re like all the cuts and stuff. Some some of the wipes and stuff that he does it

20:20 – Fredo
of going back to like, yeah, it’s all Evil Dead. Yeah, I

20:25 – Cousin Primo
sorted they they get that from that movie. Yeah.

20:27 – Edgar OtraVez
There’s a lot of that. And especially like, in the end when he gets the third eye. Yeah. All right. Oh, by the way, the zoomed in the way he was. So it was it was scary and cheesy at the same time. So Sam Raimi, it was a SAHMRI movie. I thought, just in terms of that was so good. But,

20:47 – Fredo
but it was cheap. And by the pulse credit scene at the end, because if the movie would have ended like that, yeah, it would have been perfect.

20:54 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah. Because now he’s just using it. Yeah, right. Yeah. No, I agree. They should have just left it there. Yeah. And that give us

21:02 – Fredo
is, it’s, it’s an MCU movie. So you kind of got to show what’s gonna come out next. So that’s already? Yeah. Yeah.

21:11 – Edgar OtraVez
I was. I agree.

21:12 – Fredo
But from a film point of view, yeah. Like the movie would have been, it would have been perfect if it would have ended. Right. Where? Yeah, yeah. Because that would have been so. So very Sam Raimi?

21:23 – Edgar OtraVez
I think going forward, you can stop doing those kinds of teasers that you can still do a teaser. But maybe not do that. Like maybe instead of having Dr. Strange, at least, like what I would have done, because, you know, I make movies for the MCU. They should have just left that piece out. Put something else in with a different character. Like should have been just how they did with the third eye. And he’s like, ah, and you’re like, what happened? You’re left like, what? And then and then not have that scene where he uses it and then jumps into another portal. Yeah. But like, I agree with what he’s saying in terms of like, that’s the way you end it. Just stop right there. And I don’t show him anymore. If you want to post credit scene, do somebody else. Do something else? Yeah.

22:05 – Fredo
But they had to introduce Yeah, then Eric there. Yeah,

22:09 – Edgar OtraVez
they use dr. strange again, they shouldn’t have. Yeah, you know, like,

22:12 – Fredo
because he’s just walking around. And the shock of that the reveal of the third eye would have been the perfect way to and

22:20 – Edgar OtraVez
I think the problems with the latest movies, Dr. Strange and Thor is that they seemed a little rushed. They would have just let those movies breathe a little more, give them a few more scenes, or maybe lengthen some of these cuts. I think that’s what happened. They just felt rushed. They felt like it was missing something.

22:37 – Fredo
I didn’t feel that as much as Dr. Strange says,

22:40 – Edgar OtraVez
I felt that I felt that with Dr. Strange. And I thought that with or loving thunder.

22:45 – Cousin Primo
I think that’s what it is. I felt I feel love and thunder was rushed. Like it was they just needed to put something out.

22:51 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah, no, not that. I think they wanted to make these movies shorter. So that when they do have the movies that kind of wrap everything together, they can go a little longer. Because you can’t keep asking people to stay in the theater for three and a half hours. You know, saying, you know, or three hours, three hours is a long time to watch something. Oh, yeah. You know,

23:12 – Fredo
Dr. Strange was not that long.

23:14 – Edgar OtraVez
It was it was under two hours under

23:16 – Fredo
two hours to get under two. Yeah. So I think they’re consistent with that.

23:22 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah, they did the same thing with Thor, because I wanted to shoot is

23:26 – Fredo
that the tone was just wrong. For Thor. For Thor. Yeah,

23:31 – Edgar OtraVez
I agree. But I think it feels like that because it’s short.

23:33 – Cousin Primo
A lot of friends who went to go see it told me that it was like a comedy.

23:38 – Fredo
Yeah, yeah, it was.

23:39 – Edgar OtraVez
It was a comedy.

23:40 – Cousin Primo
I don’t like that. I really don’t like that because first of all, Thor was introduced as a very serious character. And he’s always been that in the comic books or wherever. Yeah. Okay, but to make them like,

23:53 – Edgar OtraVez
well, here let me ask you this. Did you ever read Thor? Oh, yeah. Like a lot. Yeah. Like, like you did for exmon. See, I never did. I never liked Thor. I thought it was too cheesy.

24:05 – Cousin Primo
See, I like Thor because it was different. And the stuff is like, sort of some of the stuff was like, Yeah, but since I was a big fan of the X Men and they had crossovers with the vendors and other superheroes I started deciding to pay start picking up door, but I stopped because he stopped being Thor, there was a time where Thor wasn’t worthy anymore. No, he was just Thor. He didn’t need a human host anymore. Because that’s how it used to change. He used to say there was a guy who just hit hit the cane, and you would transform into Thor. Yeah. And now that character became his own Thor. Yeah, he became Thunder Strike, okay. And he had a mace instead of a hammer. Which I’m hoping that one day they introduced that character because they already introduced the other one. You’re talking about? The lady Thor lady female Thor, but I agree with you

24:55 – Fredo
that I thoroughly didn’t and I I think it’s very telling in the first four movies. Yeah, they stayed pretty true to the comics. I didn’t really care for them we I think it was

25:11 – Cousin Primo
very arrogant and just Yeah, well that’s pretty much where I was. That’s why he was punished. Yeah, from the

25:16 – Fredo
current Thor, you wouldn’t know you wouldn’t know it like, well, here’s now he’s like, Goofy.

25:21 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah, well, now he’s got a sense of humor, and he doesn’t take himself serious, which I think is more entertaining and more interesting. Yeah, even this movie that’s weak in terms of like what I’m saying like story and maybe a little short and a little too funny. I still rather watch this Thor, then the Thor that we saw in the first two movies. Because like, I don’t even think I saw the dark world until until I found out that I needed to for endgame and Infinity War. Why? Because Because you do time travel, right. Third one. Chemtrails. Well, yeah, yeah. And in game you time travel. And all Yeah, in origin. Yeah. In game your time travel and your ends up going to go see needs to go back to that. Yeah, to get the stone. Yeah. And he ends up seeing his mother, right, and all that stuff. And I never saw that movie. And I went to see it only because I knew that it was gonna come out in endgame. They mentioned that it was an endgame. And I was like, fuck, I gotta watch this movie now. So like, I went, watched it. And I was like, Oh, that’s okay. You know, but then you see it and like, oh, shit, you know. So now this makes sense. But oh, no correction. I think I didn’t see that movie until all you thought afterwards after endgame. I was like, fuck now I gotta go watch and get I gotta go watch dark world. But yeah, and then I appreciate it a little more, you know? But it wasn’t until then. You know? Yeah. Yeah, and I haven’t watched it against it. No, it’s not.

26:45 – Cousin Primo
I’m actually watching him right now.

26:47 – Fredo
Yeah, I’m Ragnarok I think is is the nice balance of comedy in series.

26:54 – Edgar OtraVez
Ragnarok is awesome. Yeah. It’s so nuts.

26:58 – Fredo
I blame the director though. I think in this lane. Yeah. Well, I think I think that he was unchained. I’m pretty sure the like, Kevin, let them loose a little bit. A little too much. Yeah. And they didn’t like really mean like, I don’t think that was the problem. Everything was everything was done for a laugh. But there were parts in the movie where I’m just like, No, you’re talking about like, like heavy duty shit. Like, Jane Foster got cancer and yeah, and it’s played

27:25 – Edgar OtraVez
for laughs No, it wasn’t played for laughs I

27:27 – Fredo
think it was always like jokes and but there wasn’t enough

27:30 – Edgar OtraVez
of a beat. Because like, I think that’s this is what I’m, I think this is what I’m talking about here. Because, like, if you give a movie enough time in between the scenes to or in the cuts, even to breathe a little bit, then you have some time between laughs right? And then things like this, like we’re talking about the fact that we have cancer, or gene Foster has cancer in this movie. There is a little more room to breathe. You could take it a little more seriously and there isn’t a laugh right after right? It’s because that’s why you may have felt like it was paid play for last Yeah, they probably needed to cut the movie down and what they did was they looked at each shot and cut the shot down and tighten everything up as much as they could possibly do. And that is probably what happened. I don’t know. I don’t know I wasn’t in the editing room. I don’t know what was wrong. I don’t know if they cut scenes out or if they just shortened every shot but it just seemed too quick right

28:26 – Fredo
it definitely and seamless a little yeah

28:31 – Edgar OtraVez
yeah cuz I think I think you’re right they should have spent a little more time with her in that bit.

28:37 – Fredo
Spoilers like at the end Yeah. Yeah, I didn’t feel anything when she sacrificed herself for like

28:44 – Edgar OtraVez
oh no, I Well, you see this is this is this is where you and I differ because I cried every single one

28:56 – Fredo
you know, final scene though when Thor and and a little girl yeah, run off and whatever they were gonna throw and love and thunder. Yeah, and then the title came out. I immediately thought I bet Eggers cry

29:15 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah, absolutely. Thor that he’s got it. Yeah, he’s got his daughter honor.

29:22 – Fredo
I bet I imagined that girl just

29:25 – Edgar OtraVez
these these fuckers know who I am. And they made that movie for me and it’s like this fucker is a sucker for

29:32 – Fredo
instead of like showing emotion myself. I just thought about you.

29:38 – Edgar OtraVez
And then you laugh Yeah, maybe well, I mean, you can’t play in Tyco for that. You know that’s not laughing you’re crying while watching the same movie that you’re watching. Yeah, you’re right. I

absolutely did cry. Oh, No

30:07 – Fredo
Yeah, I will say though about that movie The villain. What’s his name

30:10 – Edgar OtraVez
Gore Gore the the guy butcher shirt.

30:13 – Fredo
That was good. I mean, I wanted more of that character having more fleshed out because yeah the performance that this guy Christian Bale Oh Christian Bale was yeah and because we didn’t Yeah, we didn’t get it we I think we saw him kill one God right one or two

30:31 – Edgar OtraVez
that’s the other thing like you’ll be able to kill it kill that first guy in the right in the beginning right?

30:38 – Cousin Primo
Oh okay yeah and then did he kill that planet? No we didn’t see

30:43 – Fredo
any shows up on Earth

30:45 – Edgar OtraVez
oh no he didn’t he killed he did kill somebody else I think he did kill somebody else but nevermind that like you know they call him the god butcher that we not noticed that Thor killed the God as well like he killed you know Zeus known did he kills us no he didn’t need didn’t

30:59 – Fredo
he live?

31:00 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah he lived That’s right.

31:02 – Fredo
Post credit credit yeah

31:03 – Edgar OtraVez
and

31:04 – Fredo
where were his son?

31:06 – Cousin Primo
Yeah. Which is where they introduced Hercules into the MCU Yeah, well that’ll be interesting, because there’s a rivalry between them. Yeah, throughout the four years in the comics. Oh, dude, since like, the 50s. I like that. You know this shit.

I love it.

31:21 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah. Well, I mean, you’re the guy who introduced me to comics, right? No,

31:25 – Cousin Primo
blame me. Well, no.

31:28 – Edgar OtraVez
That’s awesome. Yeah, I

31:29 – Fredo
wanted more of that guy.

31:30 – Edgar OtraVez
So not to continue talking about me crying but the funny thing big reason why

31:37 – Fredo
the tighter you are. The different ways I’ve cried during the

31:44 – Edgar OtraVez
year when you saw her telling me the truth. No, I did not. But here. Alright, here’s the reason why. My daughter’s name not her name means love. So when they said Thor love and thunder, you know, and the girl’s name was love. I was like, Oh my god. I love it. Thunder. Yeah, daughters lot of thought as Gary. There you go. That’s the Spanish story.

Yeah, loving thought that’s

the floral block as love and thought is sponsored by thought. Yeah, that should be the tagline love and tortoise. One thing we were failing to mention is for phase four is all the all the awesome shows, right? I mean,

32:42 – Fredo
one of the francomb How do you have?

32:44 – Edgar OtraVez
I have Wakanda I mean, what kinda Wanda what were those shows that came out just Yeah, so yeah, why don’t you rattle them off? I know you have the list right there.

You gave me so much shit before we started the podcast. Give me a pin. We’ll write them down and he didn’t write them down.

33:02 – Cousin Primo
Well, I do. I have the shows. I have the

33:07 – Edgar OtraVez
good past.

33:10 – Cousin Primo
Well, we have first the first one to start off with one efficient that started off the beginning of phase four. The second show to follow was the Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Then we had Loki Falcon. Yeah, it’s called the Falcon. No,

33:24 – Edgar OtraVez
no, no, we had one that then Falcon. Yeah, I thought it was a one that then Loki. No, no.

Oh shit. Yeah,

33:31 – Cousin Primo
I got the dates right here Brown. Okay,

33:33 – Edgar OtraVez
go ahead. So Wando Captain America and Winter Soldier

Loki net wrong dude is Falcon. Oh, no. Because at the end of the show, they call them Kevin American but show

33:45 – Fredo
itself was called.

33:47 – Edgar OtraVez
But at the end of this at the end, they renamed it Yeah,

33:51 – Fredo
they make season two they maybe it’ll be called Captain.

33:55 – Edgar OtraVez
Not gonna make a season two.

33:58 – Fredo
Because Phase Five. There’s a Captain America movie. Yeah, yeah. Right. There’s no season. Yeah. So from

34:05 – Cousin Primo
there you looking at Loki after the Falcon. Fucker? And then what if? Then Hawkeye? moon night, Miss Marvel. And to end phase four. We’re looking at the sea hawk.

34:22 – Edgar OtraVez
So in terms of how I rank them, it’s pretty tough. It would be easier to just tell you what is on the bottom on the list. Okay, what’s your number three? Like, like, well, like at the very, very bottom of the list. The very bottom of the list is Hawkeye isn’t bad. It wasn’t bad, but it wasn’t great. You know, it wasn’t as good or as strong as the other shows. True. So like Hawk Eye is at the bottom and so is Captain America or Falcon X right getting in the Winter Soldier.

34:51 – Fredo
Yeah, I would. That would be my bottom. Yeah.

34:55 – Edgar OtraVez
Everything else is fantastic one that’d be number one. Yeah,

34:58 – Fredo
on the They definitely started out with a bang. For their show I

35:04 – Cousin Primo
would my top three would be first would be Loki. Love the banter they have throughout the entire series. My second would have been the one that no winner so wonder Winter Soldier, one division. My third. I have to say Miss Marvel.

35:22 – Edgar OtraVez
I really liked Miss Marvel. I mean it’s it but it’s not my number

35:25 – Cousin Primo
one. No, no, no, no, my like I said my top one is Loki.

35:29 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah, my top one is a tie between Wanda and Loki. I’m sorry, go ahead.

35:33 – Fredo
I didn’t really get into I don’t know. Maybe I just felt that

I wasn’t the target audience for day one. For what Miss Marvel Miss Marvel.

I think it was a more younger crowd.

35:43 – Cousin Primo
For sure. Yeah, I sort of saw it as like a fan show.

35:47 – Edgar OtraVez
It’s a family movie. Or it’s a family show. Because I mean, there’s the parents are very involved in the character with the character. They’re not like, oh, there’s my dad, there’s my mom. And then I’m off to like, save the world or save the block or whatever they’re involved in one of the biggest. One of the things that stand out to me is is like, the Father gives her her name. And I was like, Oh, shit, you know, the dad, I’m gonna cry right now. The dad named her with a superpower or gave her the superhero name.

Dude, man, is what did was come from again, every single

time they do anything like that. We’re like, here’s a dad. And here’s the little girl. Now, it’s just they these know how to get you, man. Or at least they know how to get me. But Miss Marvel is, at least for me something I read to the kids. Like, I read Miss Marvel to my daughter. She loves Miss Marvel. And we watched every episode and she loved it. She was pissed off that they changed their powers.

36:52 – Cousin Primo
Oh, I believe it.

36:54 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah, she was like, why did it change your powers? And then now she’s not immune she or she’s not any human. She’s immune. Like,

what the hell’s going on? And I’m like, oh, no, no, no. Right in the ship. Yeah,

37:04 – Fredo
I think when she was introduced in the Marvel Comics, it was during a time when they weren’t really giving love to X Men and Fantastic Four movie beef that they were having with the students that they want didn’t want to promote those characters. One of the creators said that, had that not been a thing.

37:23 – Cousin Primo
She would have been been immune. Yes, she would have been immune. During that time to what you’re talking about. They actually did a thing where they actually wiped out all mutants in the Marvel Universe. Yeah, yeah. Fantastic forward. We’re not

37:34 – Edgar OtraVez
that was one to two by the way. Wanda did that. Yeah, she works,

37:37 – Fredo
I think and as immune more so then.

37:42 – Cousin Primo
Well, she’s considered it and I’ll make a classmate here.

37:44 – Edgar OtraVez
Who’s a wonder why Oh, yeah.

37:48 – Fredo
Marvel, I think was Marvel fits. Immune type?

37:52 – Edgar OtraVez
I agree. Yeah, I think I think so too. And I would have liked her if she was stretchy. And we mentioned this in another podcast, you will die. But like one of the things and they almost kind of they kind of did it here. But one of the things that is part of like her dealing with her identity and dealing with being brown is that when she has she has this issue with being Muslim and not fitting in. And one of the things that happened to her in the beginning, when when she first got to her powers was she was able to shape shift and she shape shifted into Captain Marvel,

38:33 – Cousin Primo
which I thought she did at the end of the post credits. Yes. And the last step in the last episode was like she Yeah, she did it. And then I was like, Wait a minute.

38:43 – Edgar OtraVez
No, no, yeah, it

was weird.

38:46 – Cousin Primo
We’re like what to do.

38:47 – Edgar OtraVez
What Yeah, what you got

a sense immediately that it wasn’t Miss Marvel being a blond blue eyed girl. It was actually Captain Marvel. They switched places right? Exactly. It’s like they hinted at that but then they didn’t do it exactly which I can appreciate

39:04 – Cousin Primo
what first of all they were starting to say that the band that she has is actually one of the quantum bands from Quasar

39:10 – Edgar OtraVez
well yeah it’s it’s celestial are not celestial. But in the

39:14 – Cousin Primo
comic books Quasar switches bodies, Rick Jones, so whenever Earth needs quasar, he just slaps the bracelets together and they switch places. Oh, so I thought that’s what it was.

39:27 – Edgar OtraVez
That’s fucking crazy. I did not know that. That’s some deep cuts shit, bro. I did not know this shit. Yeah, no, so that makes sense, man. Like damn, bro like first of all, kudos to you for knowing that shit. But also like, How does anyone who writes this shit know this shit like someone had to? Someone has to be a fan. To put that into the show.

39:51 – Fredo
Marvel has people that that our

39:53 – Cousin Primo
job is guys like me to jump in. Here give us an idea. Yeah,

40:00 – Edgar OtraVez
I mean, Kevin Feige is a huge Marvel fan.

40:04 – Cousin Primo
Yeah, he’s he’s expressed it millions of times.

40:07 – Edgar OtraVez
He knows and he knows his shit and which is the problem with DC but that’s a different conversation, because DC doesn’t have a super fan running the show. No, they just have may

40:17 – Cousin Primo
have that one guy who loves Batman and that’s it

40:25 – Edgar OtraVez
they love Batman for the wrong reasons. Batman makes money let’s let’s keep making money with Batman is like, oh, DC fucking sucks, man. Let’s make another Batman movie. Let’s make three Batman movies.

40:37 – Cousin Primo
Like Batman movies. Yeah, fight each other. Oh. I just gave these Yes.

40:44 – Edgar OtraVez
Now you did in spider man beat him to it. Yeah, I copied. Yeah, I really love that show. I thought it was great. But I still think I still think Loki and wandavision were better shows but just just a

41:00 – Fredo
much tighter show. Yeah, more and the implications of the shows and the Terminator universe. Right?

41:06 – Cousin Primo
And the truth is to is that those are characters we already know because we’ve seen him in the movie and to have for them to have their own show is something that like, hey, we want to see what else happens to these guys after the you know the movie. You know after this this happened Okay, where did they go? They don’t because every and end game they don’t explain where Loki Loki went? Yeah, well, look, he was dead. No, but they went back in time. Yeah.

41:30 – Edgar OtraVez
Oh, yeah, that’s right. And Logan that Loki? You know, escaped Avengers. Yeah, that’s right. That’s right. That’s how we were following in the show in the series. Yeah. So um, yeah.

41:43 – Fredo
And then one division.

41:45 – Edgar OtraVez
So like, the thing with one division is and here’s the problem I have with, with Wanda the character and Dr. Strange and it’s just like, at the end of the one the Vision Show. You get a sense that Wanda had had suffered enough.

42:03 – Fredo
She has at peace out what what occurred to vision. Exactly. And she went off in the woods and

42:09 – Edgar OtraVez
that was it. Yeah. And that was supposed to be like, okay, she’s, she’s done being evil or messed up or whatever.

42:16 – Fredo
But then, but then you saw her, we did see a glimpse of her with a dark hole. And then she was like, you know, in that train swing? Yeah. They they, they showed in the movie that that Darko takes over somebody like that. Dr. Strange who had was in that other universe and

42:40 – Edgar OtraVez
yeah, I guess yesterday the

42:43 – Fredo
dark cold and it took it took them over and it caused in what it calls them

42:47 – Edgar OtraVez
incursions incursion? Yeah. I just, I don’t know. I just felt like they’re rehashed a little bit, some of the the trauma and the problems that she was dealing with. That seemed resolved in the show. You know, and I’m like, we’re doing this again. Like not we’re back to her being evil. I thought that she was good. No, it

43:06 – Fredo
was a good. I thought she was a good bad guy in that movie.

43:10 – Edgar OtraVez
Oh, yeah. She was a good bad guy. But she was.

I don’t know. I have

43:15 – Fredo
to kind of under understand everything that happened in one division. Yeah,

43:19 – Edgar OtraVez
it does undo everything that doesn’t want. That was definitely your point. And you make a good point about the the dark hole being almost like a drug. Right? Yeah. And she has become like an addict. Exactly. Right. And so she’s beginning to make really bad choices. But they’re her choices. You know, it’s not really it wasn’t really like the dark hole invaded her mind. It was more like, like, I want more of this. And I’m still depressed. I lost my kids. You

43:46 – Fredo
got a glimpse of her kids and our happiness with our kids. And then yeah,

43:50 – Edgar OtraVez
yeah. Well, you see, here’s the thing that I had a problem with, is like, I thought she was looking for her kids.

43:56 – Cousin Primo
She was looking for reality, or the kids where she had she was with her kids.

44:01 – Edgar OtraVez
But if you remember the last, the last post credit scene, where she’s like, sitting there with a dark cold, her kids call out to her. And she’s like, coming from there. We’re like, come and find us. Help us. Right? Yeah, they call off for and it sounded like they were in trouble. And instead, we get to the Doctor Strange movie. And it was like that

44:22 – Fredo
is the dark hole that was messing with everything out there what she wanted to hear, so that it can further like, observe her and take over.

44:32 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah, I don’t know. I mean, I understand which is

44:38 – Fredo
full blown evil. By the point of like, yeah, oh, yeah, for sure. Movie. I mean,

44:43 – Edgar OtraVez
like, what I liked about that was they didn’t even like, hang on it. No. Yeah, right. He came, they came. He was talking to

44:48 – Fredo
her and he came for her

help. And he was

she was just like, oh, yeah, I didn’t tell you that. Yeah, he

44:54 – Cousin Primo
goes, he gives the girl’s name and he’s like, and that’s what Dr. Strange figured out. He’s like, Hey, I never told you the girl’s name. He goes That’s what gave it away, right? Yeah. And then she’s able that she just turned the whole place back to where it was like everything’s dying here.

45:07 – Edgar OtraVez
It was crazy, because I was like, Oh, you guys didn’t even like stay there. You You guys didn’t even hold that conversation a little longer expanded to another scene. It was like, boom, you find out right away that she’s evil. And that’s

45:20 – Cousin Primo
why you have to look at it shows. I get a glimpse,

45:25 – Edgar OtraVez
I understand. But it was just,

45:28 – Fredo
it might have even hurt a little bit because you kind of like, undo a lot of what happened on the neck, except it’s almost like maybe you’re better off than watching the show. Enjoy.

45:39 – Edgar OtraVez
There’s a few things that happened with the show in terms of like Dr. Strange could have been on there and he wasn’t. There was a bunch of things that

like some of those rumors and rumors. Yeah, there was a lot of rumors.

Well, some of those commercials were supposed to be Dr. Strange reaching out to try to talk to one and bring her back. But because they couldn’t get, you know, the actor Cumberbatch to come in and do those scenes because of the pandemic. They kind of had to cut those pieces out. So anyway, we talked about phase four. I think enough. Overall, the

46:15 – Fredo
shows were better. Always talk about oh, it’s ending because that’s right. That’s right. We have so we have Seahawk that’s coming. Is that

46:24 – Edgar OtraVez
part of Phase four?

46:25 – Cousin Primo
Actually it is yeah. Oh.

Show be more Wakanda Oh, I

46:30 – Edgar OtraVez
thought that that was part of Phase Five. No,

46:33 – Fredo
it’s still part of Phase four.

46:35 – Edgar OtraVez
Okay, so going back then. So I’m excited about She Hulk. I don’t know if there’s much to say there.

46:41 – Fredo
What do you know about She Hulk? I didn’t really know too much. Well,

46:45 – Edgar OtraVez
I mean, like, just in general, like her powers and yeah, yeah. Okay. So she Hulk? Is she? She’s a cousin. Yeah, of a cheap Bruce.

46:54 – Fredo
If I recall, Denise, she needed like a blood transfusion or something. And then Bruce gave her some are. Exactly. That’s exactly how it happened. Yeah, that’s exactly how they’re doing that.

47:04 – Edgar OtraVez
I think that’s exactly what they’re doing. Yeah, I don’t know how they’re gonna do it. But that’s how they’re gonna do it from my understanding. And my

47:10 – Fredo
understanding was also that in the comments, she also was, she was the first character to break the fourth wall, which they showed in the previous Yeah, she’s doing in the show.

47:20 – Edgar OtraVez
She’s doing that as well in the show. But also like, it’s a little more it’s a little more about her being a lawyer. And a little less about saving the world and all that nonsense, which is kind of refreshing because I’m tired of the world always being in danger. Can we do something else other than save the world? Every goddamn movie and show it’s like every like, like everybody wants to blow up the fucking world. Everybody wants to the world is always in peril. And I’m in part of my mind is thinking that they were as the Avengers just fucking call some some of your boys in back this shit up and and stop it. You know? Like, like I’m thinking Thor Why didn’t you call Dr. Strange you know, you know or even pull in Spider Man or ask for some help. You know, I get it. You know, it’s Thor’s world and it’s Thor’s movie. But I mean even even spider man the way home a Doctor Strange. Yeah, but whatever. It’s this is like the world is always in parallel. The world’s always gonna be that the world is always well now it’s not just the world now the fucking universe really is like the the the multiverse I’m sorry. Yes. The multiverse is in danger. It’s

48:29 – Cousin Primo
always in danger. Yeah, there’s always a light or

48:35 – Fredo
something’s going around.

48:35 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah, yeah. And it’s just like, it’s like, Oh, holy shit. You know, like, it was interesting at first. And now I’m a little tired of it. It’s just like, Okay, can we talk about something else other than, you know, saving the world or saving the universe or the multiverse is like, now we have you know, she hooked doing lawyer procedural movie, you know, our show, and she’s just, you know, putting bad guys in jail or defending guy or defending

it’s not it’s fantastic. And it’s not and I think I’m gonna like a lot.

49:10 – Fredo
But yeah, she actually has a better updating to she’s trying

49:13 – Edgar OtraVez
Oh, she’s she’s not only dating, she’s like on Tinder. Like, like, rockin dudes. She like picked up a dude and this dude look like he was like, ready to have the time of his life. Oh, that dude that dudes going into paralyze, but you’re gonna be happy. Dead do bro pelvis. I mean, more power to a man. Whatever. Yeah. So it’s gonna be interesting. I don’t know if I can watch that show with my kids.

49:41 – Cousin Primo
I suggest Yeah,

49:42 – Edgar OtraVez
I don’t think I can. Yeah, she’s got a better understanding of her powers too. She doesn’t have the issues that Bruce has.

49:50 – Cousin Primo
She’s more in control of the Hulk entity and her are the same, the same entity first of all, and she has a better control. While she does Have a little Berserk rage is that it’s a controlled rage.

50:03 – Edgar OtraVez
Well, she can turn into a whole like the old Hulk. Yeah, but she’s more like a professor Hulk all the time all the time. Yeah. And yeah, so that’s interesting,

50:13 – Fredo
but it’s also a shame too, because like, up to this point, Hulk, he’s kind of just been like, not really uh

50:20 – Cousin Primo
Well, from what I’m seeking fairness. You want to be a savage hope that’s

50:24 – Fredo
because the whole guy remember was just like yeah, I actually did dig Professor Hulk. I think we haven’t gotten a real portrayal of Hong Kong.

50:34 – Cousin Primo
I still say that I still, he’s heard me say that plenty of times. I still prefer the Incredible Hulk Hulk, compared to mark. What are the

50:45 – Edgar OtraVez
Mark Ruffalo, Mark? You’re talking about?

50:48 – Cousin Primo
Edward Norton, the world that hope that you know?

50:51 – Edgar OtraVez
You like the Edward Norton Hall. Dude, I love that. You see, here’s the thing. I like the Angley Hulk.

50:56 – Fredo
Yeah, which isn’t part of the NCAA,

50:59 – Edgar OtraVez
which is not part of the MCU. But like, see, but the Angley you’re always want to talk about the Hulk where he just as he gets angrier gets bigger. He just keeps getting bigger and there’s like no beating this fucking guy. Right? He just keeps getting bigger and stronger and crazier. And that’s how the Hulk is in the comics. That’s the real side of atoll. He just gets bigger and bigger. This whole we’ve never seen him do that. No, no. Like he should like

51:25 – Fredo
and it seems like we might not ever see. Yeah. Cuz he seems to be just content with just being well,

51:32 – Cousin Primo
you see, that’s, that’s what the series is the She Hulk is about. It’s because he’s trying to make her the new Hulk. Yeah. And he wants to he wants to hope to be a hero again. And that’s what it is. And that she’s, she’s like,

51:45 – Edgar OtraVez
I got a career. This.

51:46 – Cousin Primo
She’s the best bet for that. Yeah. And he’s pushing her. You know,

51:51 – Edgar OtraVez
but he wants but she’s kind of not interested. No, she’s not. Yeah,

51:54 – Cousin Primo
she’s kind of like, you know, which is the opposite of the comic book.

51:56 – Edgar OtraVez
Oh, yeah. Oh, she’s

51:58 – Cousin Primo
like superstar like, superhero type. She wants to be a superhero.

52:02 – Fredo
She-hulk the last one they also last traded they had their that will show up at the end.

52:12 – Edgar OtraVez
Yes. Yes. Anywhere in like an old suit. Which is kind of like the new suit now. But like,

52:17 – Fredo
which now goes back to like, the Netflix shows and how.

52:22 – Cousin Primo
And he is playing there double?

52:24 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah. And that actors playing it might

52:27 – Fredo
it’s gonna be the same character like yeah, the same actor. We saw him go through the the series those three seasons, or it’s still gonna be

52:37 – Edgar OtraVez
canon. Yeah, yeah. I wonder if it will be. I don’t know if it will be completely.

52:41 – Fredo
My understanding of it is yeah, it’s gonna be because they call on the show. They’re even bringing King paint the same king pin. Yeah. And he’s now like,

52:50 – Edgar OtraVez
Oh, yeah. He’s part of the MCU. Yeah.

52:52 – Fredo
He saw him in the Hawkeye. He’s in haka. Yeah. And they seem to be pushing that character a lot to Charlie Cox.

52:59 – Cousin Primo
Yeah, they weren’t there. There was a big fan uproar about him playing there. That was like, you can’t pick anybody else to play Daredevil.

53:06 – Edgar OtraVez
No, he was a fantastic there, though. I think one of the things that made this show so great was some of those scenes, that long hallway take in the first season, I think it was like Episode Four or something that made waves when it first aired, or when people first saw it aired, but, you know, like, people saw that and it was all over social media. Everybody was talking about it, because it was so good. And it was one long as hallway take. And they did it again. I think in season two, yeah. It didn’t have the same impact. But it was fantastic. It was still

53:42 – Cousin Primo
saying they do the same thing with the Punisher.

53:45 – Edgar OtraVez
I don’t remember because I tried to watch Punisher. And it’s a little hard for me to watch.

53:49 – Cousin Primo
Because I mean, there’s a scene where he’s like, he’s trapped. And all these. He’s in prison. And then all these guys are just coming out at him. I just need to take I’m

53:59 – Fredo
not sure if it was one taken one long shot. Yeah, I know what you’re talking about. Yeah, it’s like where he’s trying to.

54:07 – Edgar OtraVez
I mean, I do like that actor. And I did like him for Punisher. I don’t know if I care much for

54:12 – Cousin Primo
the series. But he just got signed up for season three.

54:15 – Edgar OtraVez
We’ll go for him. I mean, it’s just

54:18 – Cousin Primo
this Yeah. So um, Disney plus, I should say.

54:22 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah. But anyway, before we end the phase four, I do want to talk about Black Panther Wakanda forever, because I think that will be the strongest movie where I’m hoping it will be of phase four. Right? Because, I mean, obviously they’re going to deal with the fact that Black Panther is gone. The act is gone, right. They’re introducing is it Dr. Doom?

54:47 – Cousin Primo
I think no, no, no.

54:48 – Edgar OtraVez
Who’s the who’s the bad guy in that? Is that anymore?

54:51 – Fredo
Don’t Well, the way the marketing is? Yeah, they’re making a name or being it seemed that the name was the there’s somebody else that That’s masterminding this whole.

55:01 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah. And I didn’t

55:02 – Cousin Primo
mean to but if it’s Dr. Doom I gotta go.

55:05 – Fredo
But I don’t see him playing like I see a more of a, like post credit type of thing. I don’t see him like like Junko character in the movie itself.

55:16 – Edgar OtraVez
So you’ll see him in the third act being the villain twirling is

55:20 – Fredo
at the very end or where like we get a glimpse of like, oh, okay, this guy was,

55:26 – Cousin Primo
I see that happening. This is

55:29 – Fredo
going on between the two.

55:32 – Edgar OtraVez
So you’re seeing that he’s going to be more like Thanos was with Loki in Avengers one.

55:38 – Cousin Primo
Like him. He’ll be the one pulling the strings. Yeah.

55:41 – Edgar OtraVez
Neymar is going to be the one doing all the battle. But like in the end, then you find out oh, Dr. out like, yeah, like Dr. Doom was the one being an asshole. Not even they’ll figure out but we as the audience will be like, oh, did that was Dr. Doom. Yeah, dude, that would be badass. I want to see Dr. Doom. I just want

56:01 – Cousin Primo
to I love Dr. Joe but you got like four figures of Doc doing that is

56:05 – Edgar OtraVez
funny.

56:06 – Fredo
I can see how Omar was not wanting to really let it

56:12 – Edgar OtraVez
all go all at once. Well, because

56:13 – Fredo
we’ve gotten to previous Dr. Doom so they want to get that shit. Perfect. Now, you don’t want to make the

56:20 – Cousin Primo
trash. I’m sorry. Yeah. So I

56:22 – Edgar OtraVez
thought they were okay. I thought they were just okay. But like what the doors, the movie Doctor dooms in the past the previous versions of Dr. Doom, I thought were okay. I mean, every Fantastic Four iteration was just okay. We need something awesome. Yeah. You know, just like the that with Spider Man.

56:42 – Fredo
And also the movies that they got come in though. Dr. Doom, as far as I remember, a part in every one of those little events. I mean, you can look fantastic.

56:53 – Edgar OtraVez
No, you can’t. You can’t, you can’t. And then so that would make sense. Because then you have Fantastic Four. And it would be a combination of all the fucking stupid evil crap that Dr. Doom has been doing. And then Fantastic Four is going to be like, ah,

57:05 – Cousin Primo
but look at what’s going on what’s happening at the end of phase six. You got?

57:09 – Edgar OtraVez
Well, let’s not jump too far ahead. Right, but finish what we’re talking with. As far as

57:15 – Fredo
I think I think I think you’re right that Dr. Doom might have his hands in what’s going on there. But I won’t I think we’ll see you. And if we do, it’ll be a glimpse. I think you’re right. But I’m kind of sad because what’s going

57:31 – Cousin Primo
shadows?

57:32 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah. And then the end you see just a little bit

57:35 – Fredo
over. The actor who is my who’s gonna be playing?

57:38 – Edgar OtraVez
Well, I mean, if it’s full on Dr. Doom, you’re not going to see his face.

57:41 – Cousin Primo
Or even just having them talking. Yes. Or even just hear that whole back. And then you see Lavanya where he is the king.

57:50 – Edgar OtraVez
Now do you gotta show him a little bit? No, just give me where he you can’t just show me his house.

57:55 – Cousin Primo
Why not? Is the king of Lavanya Yeah. Everybody knows Doom is from there.

58:02 – Edgar OtraVez
You can show me you can show me Hawaii. I’m not gonna know that is love it, man.

58:06 – Cousin Primo
Well, first of all,

58:09 – Edgar OtraVez
dude, like, it’s gotta be you gotta show me doctor do you gotta you gotta at least show

me his hand. Do a little bit of Dr. Claw, you know, and hand him like rubbing a cat or do they have a dog and be like, Oh, that’s doctor do you know? Yeah. Show him like show part of this mass. Show him. Show him a little bit. You can’t just you can’t just show me his house. And then you know, like, what am I? What am I looking at? Now? Do you gotta show me Dr. Doom? You got to show me Dr. Doom.

58:35 – Cousin Primo
I think you’re right. Because not everybody knows who Dr. Lewis. Yeah. Okay, so yeah, maybe the fish we’ve seen We’ve had to write but like the thing was is like being I’m a big fan of him. Like no Dr. Doom. He’s had his hands in everything. And Wakanda and Atlantis fighting

58:53 – Edgar OtraVez
was Atlantis. And

58:54 – Fredo
that’s another thing. It’s like they they renamed it a

59:00 – Cousin Primo
Vegas No.

59:04 – Edgar OtraVez
City. Vegas, Vegas sunk into the ocean? No, it’s a Talocan. I think it’s called. Oh, no, you see, because well, first, I believe some of the issues is that they’ve already got an Atlantis in DC.

59:21 – Fredo
Right? And they don’t want confusion. For

59:25 – Edgar OtraVez
for the two different kings of Atlantis, right? They both have the same title of king of Atlantis. So they took this opportunity which I find interesting.

59:33 – Fredo
I actually am pretty you actually like this. I

like I like the way they’re going. What they’re doing.

59:39 – Edgar OtraVez
Well, you and

I had this conversation and I was like, I don’t know if I like this because I’m a big fan. Right? Like I I’m not a big fan of me more. But I am a fan of comics and I like some of the stories to stay the same. You know,

59:54 – Cousin Primo
truth is named more is a mutant. Yes. The first the first few years Yeah, whether or not second one but he’s

1:00:04 – Edgar OtraVez
always gonna be the second one being introducing themselves now

1:00:06 – Fredo
is the comics

1:00:10 – Cousin Primo
record of a mutinous apocalypse. Yeah. Well, like

1:00:13 – Fredo
as far as like,

1:00:14 – Edgar OtraVez
being introduced. Yeah.

1:00:16 – Fredo
Issues. Yeah. He was the first one yeah to be released, which who knows if they will go that route and call him immune or will he even be?

1:00:26 – Edgar OtraVez
I would hope they would. Yeah, I

1:00:27 – Cousin Primo
hope so. Yeah.

1:00:29 – Edgar OtraVez
So one of the things that they’re doing with that Lacan, which is well, as we know, as Atlantis, is there taking a very Mesoamerican approach, as the name implies, as we already know, they’ve got the notch. I forgot his last name. Here. Reactor.

1:00:45 – Fredo
Yeah, the actor is playing. Yeah,

1:00:47 – Edgar OtraVez
I forgot his name. The notch is, I believe, indigenous. Like he’s not just Mexican. He’s also indigenous. Yeah, right. I think you know, I don’t know if he’s mine or what? But no, he comes from like a tribe. Oh, yeah, dude. Yeah. He’s not just like a dark Mexican. No, he is. Indigenous. Oh, yeah. So he’s, he’s indigenous.

1:01:10 – Fredo
And he even said, for this role, he even studied a bit on mine language, man, because that’s the language we’re using language that the character of named Maura was using was a version of that its own language, but it’s still

1:01:25 – Cousin Primo
remember. Maya Yes.

1:01:28 – Edgar OtraVez
So like, one of the things that really doing with this with this character is that they’re really kind of being careful of how they approach it. I don’t know who thought of this kind of stuff. I like to think maybe it was Ryan Coogler. Because his approach to Black Panther just in general was really interesting. The original Black Panther they really did something really kind of interesting, right? They took a an interesting look on Africa, and made it techno futuristic, right.

1:01:56 – Fredo
But even Yeah, and they reckon culture as a whole day.

1:01:59 – Edgar OtraVez
They made it cool. Yeah. Yeah, they made it cool.

1:02:03 – Fredo
And he’s getting it looks like they’re doing the same with I forget the name of but not the Atlanteans. But

1:02:10 – Edgar OtraVez
yeah, the look on or whatever. I’m not even sure I’m saying it right. With the LA Lacan. They’ve taken professors, they set out knowledge, people who know things, and scholars, they ask them questions, and they came to a creative approach to introduce a world where it’s make sense, where it’s loyal to, to history and to Mesoamerica but also like, something that’s not offensive, something that’s very kind of individual, but also makes sense. And that’s not going to piss people off. Right? Well,

1:02:42 – Fredo
but maybe, but Yeah, who knows, but i They’re blue. Well,

1:02:48 – Cousin Primo
in that series there,

1:02:50 – Fredo
yeah, they

are the comic, the Atlanta Congress.

1:02:52 – Cousin Primo
They’re blue and white and all that. Which is the same thing they’ve done in the other DC Universe as well.

1:02:59 – Edgar OtraVez
Now, I am not sure why they’re blue. I thought I heard something about like people who drowned

1:03:06 – Fredo
Well, I’m sure yeah. Because the pigmentation the sun you probably Yeah,

1:03:10 – Edgar OtraVez
you don’t see the sun. Right. And then your the way you bring in oxygen, who knows? And what what does it do to your skin?

1:03:15 – Cousin Primo
And that’s that’s what I liked about it. But he was there. I started like that.

1:03:20 – Fredo
True and Neymar itself is not so does that mean? He’s like half human?

1:03:25 – Cousin Primo
Half? Human half?

1:03:28 – Edgar OtraVez
Have Yeah. Atlantean or person from Balogun? Yeah, it’s

1:03:31 – Cousin Primo
on the ocean. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

1:03:34 – Edgar OtraVez
But like he’s

1:03:35 – Cousin Primo
half human. Half, half, at least. Yeah, half a half underwater

1:03:39 – Edgar OtraVez
person, but

1:03:39 – Cousin Primo
that made him a mute because he was the only one born with wings on his feet.

1:03:43 – Edgar OtraVez
I don’t even know if he’s gonna have that. Oh, do they gotta know.

1:03:47 – Fredo
The idler started with his feet with the underwater birth? Yeah, the baby that came that a birth? Wink?

1:03:56 – Edgar OtraVez
I don’t even remember that. Yeah, I saw the trailer. I don’t ever see that.

1:04:01 – Fredo
Even like, I made a point of like, the person who delivered the baby, like, held the feet. And you saw the little pins.

1:04:08 – Edgar OtraVez
I gotta fucking go look at it now. Yeah, I think it’s gonna be interesting in a strong movie. I think it will be. I think it will be in I think it’s gonna be fantastic. And

1:04:17 – Fredo
it’s gonna be a beautiful movie too. From everything that I’ve seen visually. You cry

1:04:20 – Cousin Primo
in the trailer?

1:04:22 – Edgar OtraVez
Not yet no

1:04:23 – Fredo
You’re gonna cry and you’re trying to

but I think I think

1:04:28 – Edgar OtraVez
seeing like a Mexican person on screen. And that just Mexican person but like a whole they took a whole race right and gave them superpowers in a world that is fantastic and made them powerful and enrich or to Yeah, whole culture. You know, it looks like Ryan Coogler is going to do it again.

1:04:46 – Fredo
Doing what the Mexican African how he incorporated into the Wakandan

1:04:53 – Cousin Primo
Yeah, no, that was that was they’re gonna

1:04:56 – Edgar OtraVez
do the same thing with Mexicans.

1:04:57 – Cousin Primo
I hope they do. I hope he does is just as good as his job that he did that and if

1:05:01 – Edgar OtraVez
he does, I’m gonna cry.

1:05:02 – Cousin Primo
You gonna cry now? I’m just trying to hold it I

1:05:06 – Edgar OtraVez
don’t feel it, but like,

1:05:08 – Fredo
that movie already looks like it’s gonna be a sad movie because if they

1:05:12 – Cousin Primo
have to, they have to acknowledge acknowledge the fact

1:05:15 – Fredo
that oh yeah, the challah to tell us.

1:05:18 – Cousin Primo
Yeah. Now my question is how they’re going

1:05:20 – Edgar OtraVez
to explain it. I think he does by some kind of disease in the movie. Oh, is that they’re

1:05:25 – Fredo
seeing that they might like the way the actor actually died in real life is how they might incorporate it into the movie.

1:05:32 – Edgar OtraVez
That’s interesting. Like he died of cancer for cancer.

1:05:35 – Fredo
Yeah.

1:05:36 – Cousin Primo
Wow.

1:05:37 – Edgar OtraVez
That that will be interesting.

1:05:39 – Fredo
I mean, but that’s gonna be happening. Oh, you’re not gonna ball when you already know what happened in real life. The actor and the character dies when the same thing and like,

1:05:50 – Cousin Primo
I have a question for you guys. And I was off the topic but I have we have Stanley made an appearance in any of these movies. Yeah,

1:05:57 – Edgar OtraVez
no, you can’t I mean, how I mean you I guess you could insert them using or whatever other like in Dr. Strange was he and I don’t remember that. I know. He’s not in there. And loving thunder. He wasn’t there as well. Wow. You know what they should do? Like in terms of replacing him and the cameos is just insert Deadpool.

1:06:15 – Cousin Primo
Well, that’s the whole theory that was that the rumor then Deadpool is has supposedly is making an apparent Yeah, like he’s gonna be the new he’s gonna be new Stanley. He’s gonna be Stanley, but he’s also getting in his next movies are rated our movie. Yeah, so it was like, that’d be great. But that being but that being said, that world of mutants is already is going to be introduced already. Yeah. Oh, a camp, they were saying that there’s a cameo of him crying depo

1:06:46 – Fredo
for wailing? Well.

1:06:50 – Cousin Primo
No, no, no, no, no. They’re saying this is a serious, serious partner saying that when they want to do a tribute to Stanley because an a comic book. So what they did was when Stan Lee did pass away, nobody in the Marvel Universe cried but Deadpool, because he’s the only one who knew who knows he’s a comic character. And they were thinking about making that a live action scene, which would have been beautiful. Oh, that’s interesting.

1:07:16 – Edgar OtraVez
You know, not to veer off topic. But Deadpool is a character that knows that he’s in a comic book, right? The comics. And they’ve introduced Gwenpool, who’s very similar, who is a real life person, not a real life person in real life. But in the comics, she’s supposed to be someone who actually exists in the real world, but got sucked into the comics. Yeah. And so not only does she know that she’s in a comic book. But she knows all the secret identities and all the the weaknesses and everything of all the characters that she ends up fighting. She’s the reader. Yeah, she’s the reader, but she also has all the knowledge of a reader. So she knows Oh, you know, like your web shooters, they’re gonna run out of juice. You know,

1:07:56 – Cousin Primo
she has her own comic book now. I think it’s called Quinn verse. Okay.

1:08:01 – Edgar OtraVez
I don’t know. She’s fantastic. I

think she’s a hilarious character. But anyway, I just thought I I’d say that because those are the only two characters that realize they’re in comics. Yeah. You know, and they would be great to have a Gwenpool. But whatever. So I think we said our piece on Facebook, right.

1:08:18 – Cousin Primo
I think we said enough. Yeah, I

1:08:19 – Fredo
think he’s gonna answer.

1:08:22 – Edgar OtraVez
So yeah. Anyway, Phase Five.

1:08:24 – Cousin Primo
Yes. So to the needy, greedy.

1:08:26 – Edgar OtraVez
Okay, so I’m going to talk about movies. You got the list for the for the shows,

1:08:30 – Cousin Primo
and I’m gonna talk about hobbies and not introduced yet. What about fish?

1:08:33 – Edgar OtraVez
Oh, mutants. Okay, so mutants that are being introduced? Exactly just yet, then we’re talking that that mutants don’t exist, but that we don’t have X Men is essentially what we’re talking about. Right? We have Professor X in the multiverse, but he’s in another universe. We don’t have legit X Men in this MCU, which is supposed to be the 616. Yes, right. I think they’re coming. I think they’re in a slot someplace, maybe in state and phase six. That’s what I think. And I think yeah, and they’re just not introducing it just yet. Because it’s still too early. Also, you need directors, they don’t have directors for some of this stuff. Right? They don’t have a director for Secret Wars now. But that’s also phase six. That’s phase six. And that’s why I’m saying I think they’re gonna put X Men in phase six. So you’re gonna have to wait,

1:09:21 – Fredo
but you feel like an X Men movie itself. You’re saying or you’re saying mutants?

1:09:29 – Cousin Primo
I would like to see an X Men movie in the MCU Okay,

1:09:33 – Edgar OtraVez
I want to see what we’re seeing. I want to see Wolverine I want to see Cyclops I want to see Colossus

1:09:38 – Fredo
planting the seeds of X Men members like Nunes but a full blown X Men movie. I don’t I don’t see that maybe happen until after

1:09:47 – Edgar OtraVez
what is phase after phase six or the six Yeah, after phase

1:09:51 – Cousin Primo
six. They should do the mute and X band Avenger war.

1:09:57 – Edgar OtraVez
So hold on. So like,

1:09:59 – Fredo
well, the kind of doing that though.

1:10:00 – Edgar OtraVez
Well, let’s let’s not get we’re not predicting the future.

1:10:04 – Cousin Primo
Wait, wait six, seven. Yeah, we

1:10:07 – Edgar OtraVez
we jumped out of five went straight to seven we’re having a versus x.

1:10:14 – Fredo
One of the big plots in Avengers vs X Men was a name or attacking Wakanda Oh, and they’re kind of

1:10:26 – Edgar OtraVez
took it back to back to ps4 Yeah,

1:10:32 – Fredo
they’re kind of doing that I think

1:10:37 – Edgar OtraVez
see what he did you see what he did you know, you know that that switch when you’re playing basketball and you like you pick out the person you think you’re going this way, and then you pass the ball behind your back and you go the other way. And that guy’s like, where do you go? That’s what he just did to us, man. It’s like, well, you thought I was going to face you visiting face for four. I’m not done talking about for praise,

man. I’m like, where to Fredo go he’s already doing the layup

Yeah, no, that’s, I forgot that. I completely forgot that. I I mean, I read

1:11:16 – Cousin Primo
that there. But there’s, there’s like three, there’s like three, three? In between? Yeah, between them. Are you talking about three values

1:11:24 – Edgar OtraVez
or three versions of that a versus right. Three attempts or three rounds or that shit? Dude, a vs X was great, man. Yeah,

1:11:31 – Fredo
you know, Avengers is a lot like Wakanda underwater.

1:11:36 – Edgar OtraVez
I did not know that this way. They did that. I thought it was because they wanted

1:11:40 – Fredo
and then it looks what they’re doing in the movie. Like, yeah, like it’s on fire. It’s they’re trying to single kinda,

1:11:46 – Edgar OtraVez
I think one of the things that gets introduced in Wakanda is that there’s Ironheart

1:11:51 – Cousin Primo
is gonna be introduced. They’re saying as part of the post credits,

1:11:54 – Edgar OtraVez
I think, no, she’s in the movie.

1:11:55 – Fredo
She’s in a trailer. And she’s Yeah,

1:11:58 – Edgar OtraVez
she’s in the movie. She’s going to do a version of Mach one of her iron heart suit.

1:12:04 – Fredo
And I think it’s interesting though. It kind of looks like she’s kind of polar proto Jada, like cheery. Yeah. Like she’s taking her under her wing. Yeah, kind of teaching her about this. But I don’t know. Are they making her like, is she like, full blown? What candy? And what can

1:12:20 – Edgar OtraVez
now require? I don’t think so. I think she’s an American and

1:12:24 – Cousin Primo
American I was that guy. Because there’s there’s also saying that the cartoon series, the uprising is part of the MCU. And the and what it was, is that Ironheart was actually a student. And went with Sherry, and at the end of this series,

1:12:39 – Edgar OtraVez
I think what, what kind of happens is, and this is what I’ve been hearing, and I could be wrong about what where they’re going with the story points. But Dr. Doom is the one actually mining whatever any right, brainy? Yeah. In the water, right. And it’s pissing off all the little canyons. And they’re there. And they’re blaming Wakanda and then and so I think, somehow Ironheart gets roped into this and then she’s forced to actually make an a working version of her iron heart suit, which is going to be very much like the mock one where Iron Man first came out of like the cage.

1:13:18 – Fredo
She was straight up, like banging on the steel. Yeah, because Vibranium but yeah,

1:13:23 – Edgar OtraVez
yeah, I think she gets caught up in it somehow maybe even blamed somehow. I don’t know, I but she gets caught up in this part of Syria or whatever her name is, is Sherry or Siri I have always said sherry. So Sherry is going to go and kind of recruit her or pull us out of trouble or keep an eye on her because whatever she’s doing technologically has caught her attention. But also somehow she gets pulled into this war between Wakanda and the Lacan. So,

1:13:55 – Fredo
and we didn’t even like touch on Who do you think is going to be the Black Panther? Because at the end, the show is going to be Shiri you think he’s gonna go

1:14:03 – Edgar OtraVez
dig is gonna be shoe or maybe they split the jobs, and me and give a version of killmonger suit. Like, somehow they bring in killmonger back. I hope they don’t like um, kill him.

1:14:15 – Fredo
Because he died. He did. Yeah, rather just.

1:14:18 – Edgar OtraVez
I think Michael B. Jordan is awesome. I think I would love to see him as

1:14:24 – Fredo
well. Yeah.

1:14:25 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah. I don’t know how you’re gonna bring multiverse maybe? I don’t know. Just based on the

1:14:30 – Cousin Primo
girl. Remember that girl? Oh, the guard. What’s your name? The guard doubleheader. Oh,

1:14:36 – Edgar OtraVez
oh, you’re talking about the I know who you’re talking about? Yeah, the

1:14:39 – Cousin Primo
rumor is she is the Panther.

1:14:42 – Edgar OtraVez
No, I don’t know. In the comics. It was sherry.

1:14:45 – Cousin Primo
Right. She took over for a while. Yeah,

1:14:47 – Fredo
but is it as linear so it’s like as to be within mastery. Someone a bloodline?

1:14:53 – Cousin Primo
Yeah. Right about that.

1:14:55 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah. So like it’s either gonna be it’d be some version of microbial Are you in or are Cherie? Yeah,

1:15:03 – Fredo
but or the Queen herself?

1:15:06 – Edgar OtraVez
That would be fun. Like we saw a glimpse

1:15:09 – Fredo
of that and what if she was? She was so I don’t know if Angela Bassett I don’t know how old she is, but

1:15:19 – Edgar OtraVez
you know you just ate soup when she’s walking around and

1:15:23 – Fredo
then how crazy would that because she even says in the trailer. I’ve lost everything my whole family is gone. So implies that. Yeah water is gone as well.

1:15:33 – Edgar OtraVez
That’s the other thing too is is like what happened to Sherry Why is she saying that is your whole family is gone. Like I thought I heard that too. And I was like, What’s going on there? Like why the way she’s saying that she’s still got her daughter is her daughter and her daughter like Yeah, but Oh, I thought another thing that might be introduced is Michael B Now Michael B Jordan, but right now Ryan Coogler. Ryan Coogler is the director to chala has an illegitimate heir to the throne, right? Yeah,

1:16:01 – Fredo
and initially that’s what some people thought that water birth was but then yeah, no, that’s a Mexican thing. Neymar

1:16:08 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah. Okay, so are we done now we

don’t talk on what kinda

right ring up just real quick, here’s the list of movies we have and man in the Wasp quantum mania we have Guardians of the Galaxy Volume three we have the Marvel’s we have blade we have Captain America New Order which is something I have not heard of. And then there’s the dead bolts are dead bolts on their bolts, which is like the evil Avengers so I just ran down those names real quick because I just want to make sure we get all those names in there. What do we have for the list of shows that are going to be coming out

1:16:47 – Fredo
we have Secret Invasion. Echo Loki Season Two Ironheart she just talked about Agatha and then they’re double

1:16:58 – Edgar OtraVez
there though

1:16:59 – Cousin Primo
I see Agatha is actually aftercare double

1:17:02 – Fredo
right Oh yeah. I was in

1:17:06 – Cousin Primo
there saying they were in Fall was iron heart and then in spring you’re looking at their devil born again. I got the COVID of the chaos is actually in the winter of 2023

1:17:16 – Edgar OtraVez
Keep going

1:17:17 – Cousin Primo
that’s it

1:17:18 – Edgar OtraVez
all right. So in terms of order I had something here and I can’t find it now what for the movies for the for the whole Phase Five. So yeah, we got what kind of forever 22 Right at the end of 2022 We got quantum Mania 20 The beginning of 2023 We got spring we got Secret Invasion. Like you said we got Guardians of the Galaxy, which is a movie like you’re saying and may 5 2023 Echo summer 2023

1:17:48 – Cousin Primo
Right. The marbles. Yeah, July 28

1:17:52 – Edgar OtraVez
July 28 2023 blade, November 3 2023, which is then followed by Ironheart autumn 2023. Then Agatha covenant of chaos winter 2320 23 Daredevil spring of 2024 and then Captain America The New World Order may 3 2024. So this is going to be interesting. What are you looking forward to on that list?

1:18:19 – Cousin Primo
Um, this list? Okay. To be precise, I would love to see the marvels you know, I’m a big fan of blade so I have to see blade and I would like to see the Thunderbolts, the other boats will be interesting. I love the Thunderbolts, because it’s all the old criminals

1:18:38 – Edgar OtraVez
who became a game who posed as superheroes. Yeah, they’re kind of like, what’s the name of the DC version of this suicide? The Suicide Squad.

1:18:47 – Cousin Primo
Now for the shows I’m looking forward to Season Season Two of what if as well as Loki two and I would like to see that there devil born again.

1:18:57 – Edgar OtraVez
So on this list, I’m curious about quantum mania. Only because mn quantum mania is going to kind of give us a full on villain version of King. Really? Yeah, we’re getting King.

1:19:16 – Fredo
We’re getting King and he’s gonna play a big part and the rest of the next two phases. Yes. Right.

1:19:22 – Edgar OtraVez
So he’s gonna be the fan knows except Well, I think what will be fun about this is that we’re gonna get a king and every movie is gonna be different King and they’re gonna kill them every single time or whatever, get rid of them. But it doesn’t matter because we just gotta get another fucking can you know,

1:19:36 – Cousin Primo
nothing to like, you were saying that Dr. Doom will be the guy behind the shadows. Yeah, they were there was a point where Dr. Doom thought that King was actually a descendant of himself or something. No, relative of his from the future. So that’s a very interesting fact. Okay, and

1:19:54 – Fredo
so is it the son of

1:19:56 – Edgar OtraVez
Richard Richard? Yeah, it’s like his great great great great grandson or son I’m sitting, right. We see. So in terms of what I’m looking forward to, I’m really interested in quantum mania. Are you talking just movies or I’m talking about what I’m looking forward to in Phase Five? Everything including shows, yeah, everything including shows. I mean, I’m looking forward to all of it. But I mean, the things that I’m really looking forward to his like I said, quantum mania, Loki, the Marvel’s Daredevil for sure Agatha. I’m just, I didn’t name them all. But like, those are the shows like their Devil is what a really? I’m really excited.

1:20:34 – Cousin Primo
It looks like a pretty solid face. Like, what’s the strong day? Yeah, yeah. And then if strong with the done Yes. I mean, I

1:20:42 – Fredo
know we’ve complained about them being mutants, but as it is, like, where would you put mutants?

1:20:47 – Edgar OtraVez
There’s a lot of shit here. There’s a lot of fucking things going on here. You can probably put mutants in a show

1:20:54 – Fredo
that they’re gonna sell in February, in the various shows and movies, you know?

1:20:59 – Edgar OtraVez
Well, I mean, look at what they do with Miss Marvel. Right? So they’re gonna put they’re gonna put a mutant here. I mean, there

1:21:05 – Fredo
could be the first moon and or the

1:21:09 – Edgar OtraVez
first actual person that says I’m immune. Yeah, right. But like, Yeah, I’m looking forward to all of it. But yeah, but but really, you know, some of the stronger shows like Loki I you know, Marvel, I mean, in terms of the shows, movie Agatha, Daredevil, those those are going to

1:21:27 – Fredo
end it looks again. Loki that’s just going to more of a king. Yeah. And

1:21:33 – Edgar OtraVez
they’re really going to I think what they’ll do again is explain more of what’s going on with King in the Loki show. Well, good,

1:21:40 – Fredo
just like he did before. And it was it was full blown. King was running shit. Yeah, when we saw the statue or the

1:21:47 – Edgar OtraVez
will exactly right. Like it’s, it’s our full on introduction of King. Right, and what he’ll become. Now we’re going to see a full on okay, this is king. This is what he’s doing. These are all the kings, you’re gonna hear names of who the kings are like, what the different kings are. That’s what we’re gonna get out of Loki. In quantum mania, we’re just gonna get the first introduction of a new version of fracking. We’re not gonna get like oh, this is the list of Kings not run that’s going to happen and Loki they’re in Loki they’re gonna be like, here’s a list of Kings is this one and this one and this was a real asshole. And then there’s this one. And then there’s the one in your Rama tut, and whatever, you know, like we’re gonna gonna get a full on list I think

1:22:28 – Fredo
right? And probably see his destruction will actually yeah, we’ll get a trajectory of where it’s going. I see Loki, like going into these places, and we’ll get like firsthand view of what what he’s capable.

1:22:43 – Edgar OtraVez
Oh, for sure. For sure. Like we’re because before what Loki did was he was jumping around in time right? Right now we’re gonna get Loki jumping in and around in all the timelines. So he’s gonna jump from one timeline to another we’re gonna see different version of King here and there. Or like you’re saying the destruction that he’s doing in these different places. All right, I think that will be the one that’s going to show us the most development in terms of story for the overall story of the whole of Phase Five, four and six. You know, like that’s going to really tell us Yeah, where it’s going yeah, you know, but it you know, of course it’s not going to tell us everything right? But I’m I’m super I guess I just made myself super geek for Loki

was like the more I think about a Loki is gonna be the shit.

1:23:32 – Fredo
Just because as far as the whole, the whole story. The whole story is probably going to show more of what because all the other ones like Captain America, I’m sure it’s not going to play a crucial part in what kings doing. Overall.

1:23:49 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah, like America. I think what they’ll do with Captain America’s is he’s going to be the one that build the new Avengers, because he’s right at the end of Phase Five, right? And then we’re going to see the the Avengers team build through Phase six, culminating to an actual team with Qing Dynasty and Secret Wars. Like we’re actually going to get Avengers in those in like the Avenger team. Like we’re gonna see Oh, this guy is good Avenger. And that guy’s a good Avenger. And we’re gonna pull those guys in and they’re gonna, and then we’re gonna have our Avengers Assemble material we’ll get the Avengers Assemble moment at the end right there. We’re gonna get Captain America whoever’s a Avengers Assemble.

1:24:32 – Fredo
And but this time around, we we’ve already we’ve introduced the multiverse so he may be pulling from different from different

1:24:39 – Edgar OtraVez
versions. You notice. We’re gonna get fucking three Wolverines, five Ghost Riders. Yeah, you know, like 16 Spider Man, you know, like fucking

1:24:49 – Cousin Primo
guy fan off.

1:24:53 – Edgar OtraVez
Because I think Thanos is one of these characters in one of these movies and

1:24:56 – Cousin Primo
what if, what if he was introduced as a good guy?

1:25:00 – Edgar OtraVez
Oh shit. He was one of the ravers or whatever the Reavers, yeah, the ravers know the ravers or Bucha kids, it’s smoke up

or whatever, take drugs and party the music in cornfields or

1:25:14 – Cousin Primo
the cyborgs from the X man,

1:25:16 – Edgar OtraVez
though the Reavers? That’s right you’re right. No Yeah, that makes it more geeky. Thank you for that. Let’s criminal activity more.

Yeah, that’s popping pills more more. More artificial parts. Yeah, more superhero like villain like

1:25:33 – Cousin Primo
the Ravagers. No ravaged damn such a geek. The rivers rivers are the cyborgs that hunt down the mutants. Well,

1:25:42 – Edgar OtraVez
the rivers are also like the reverse of the from Logan. No, they’re the bad guys in Firefly. They’re like, Oh, you remember that? Yeah, so anyway, super geeks. Anyway. You don’t want to get Don’t get it twisted. My buddy here, Fred. It was just as geeky.

1:26:09 – Cousin Primo
We had a conversation.

1:26:12 – Edgar OtraVez
So um, so anyway, but yeah, that’s what I’m looking forward to. It’s not like any of these moves are not building this something that we’re all going to get something cool, but I think one of the things that I’m liking out of the Marvel’s is another opportunity to see Miss Marvel in action. We’re gonna get to see her geek out next to Captain Marvel. You know, I think it’s I think they’ll just be a fun movie. And something just from like me personally, as a father to go watch with my daughter. She’s gonna definitely enjoy that because she’s a big fan of Miss Marvel.

1:26:44 – Fredo
And we’re getting like three almost you got Miss Marvel Captain Marvel and full time Germanic

1:26:51 – Edgar OtraVez
for photon? Yeah, yeah, Monica. Yeah. manacle. Rambo. She’s gonna be the Yeah, but

1:26:56 – Fredo
going back to mutants? I would I would think it’d be cool. In that movie view introduce a certain mewn that in the comics. Observe. homies. Marvel’s rogue

rogue.

That’s right. If you were into introduce rogue in that movie, and have it be somewhat saying, Where are you this girl?

1:27:19 – Edgar OtraVez
Will like they’ve had no, no, and I don’t know how true this is. But like, supposedly, there’s been problems with the actress that plays Captain Marvel. Right? Right. Brie Larson, like, I guess people don’t like her really? Much. But yeah. And so like, I think in fix that, I guess not a real issue is just like, the way she

1:27:40 – Cousin Primo
portrays herself another one just look like her and

1:27:43 – Edgar OtraVez
I mean, will this will be a good opportunity to write her out of the MCU. Right? Because that’s the that’s what they could do. Because that’s what happens to her. She gets into like some kind of coma or gets completely absorbed or

1:27:54 – Fredo
something again, that was a different version of

1:27:56 – Cousin Primo
whatever was rolling was on the convoked rogue gots got tucked into stealing her powers by mistake. So because Mystique was posed, Yes, mom,

1:28:08 – Fredo
she didn’t know what she was. So

1:28:11 – Cousin Primo
she touched her. The her main ability was to absorb powers. Yeah. And her thing was absorbed her will be a stronger team. But what happened was she absorbed her touch there for too

1:28:22 – Edgar OtraVez
long. Yeah. And basically put her in a coma. Yeah, kept her powers. Right, exactly.

1:28:27 – Fredo
Because I mean, how cool would it be to see because that’s the rug. I remember one that’s flying around

1:28:33 – Edgar OtraVez
and can punch through walls.

1:28:36 – Fredo
And we haven’t seen that. The row we got into previous excellent movies was just the one that absorbs?

1:28:41 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah. Yeah, I waited so long for her to get those powers. And now I’m like, fine. You don’t have Captain Marvel. But give her the flight. You know, give her the super strength never happen.

1:28:51 – Fredo
Yeah. I think that would be the perfect.

1:28:56 – Cousin Primo
The new captain marvel is more of an energy base. This is she

1:28:59 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah, she can do the same thing in terms of absorbing stuff. But she absorbs energy.

1:29:04 – Cousin Primo
Right? For role to absorb her will be the same rogue like the one we grew up like the 90s. Well, that’s what

1:29:11 – Fredo
I mean. Like, because it’s Captain Marvel was Miss Marvel when rogue it was a completely different character. But yeah, it was.

1:29:19 – Edgar OtraVez
It was still kind of the Marvel, Carol Danvers. Yeah.

1:29:23 – Cousin Primo
Oh, and speaking of that, I don’t want to get off subject the Marvel has decided to bring back the excellent anime series.

1:29:30 – Edgar OtraVez
Yes.

1:29:31 – Fredo
Right.

1:29:31 – Edgar OtraVez
Is that something we mentioned in the

1:29:33 – Fredo
that’s not part of MCU? That’s like, no,

1:29:35 – Cousin Primo
that’s the 90s thing, which is, oh, fanfare that’s separate.

No animate

1:29:39 – Fredo
animation, Marvel animation, which they’re also doing Spider Man freshman year now, according to them is canon to MCU which is going to be the first year where he actually

1:29:53 – Edgar OtraVez
got his powers. That’s a good approach.

1:29:57 – Fredo
Because I don’t know that there. It seems like there I read came like recommending some stuff a lot of stuff because doc doc is in that in the animators will

if I

1:30:08 – Edgar OtraVez
did hear about that in the way they’re playing it off is like they like he doesn’t really say anything about Doc Ock. Like he never says, Oh, I’ve seen you before. Yeah,

1:30:16 – Fredo
because when doc guy shows up in Spider Man, no way home is no yeah, he doesn’t know who dark arc is. Yeah, I don’t know if they’re gonna if it’s not his version. Yeah, a doc doc, you shouldn’t know who you was. You should know. His version of

1:30:29 – Cousin Primo
Dr. Octavius. Yeah. But like,

1:30:31 – Edgar OtraVez
I think what’s going to happen is they’re going to introduce the Green Goblin in his world. Norman Osborn. But he’s, but it’s another retcon. But like, in some ways they can get away with it because he never acted like he didn’t know who he was. He did with Dr. Octopus. But now with the Green Goblin,

1:30:50 – Cousin Primo
but the thing is now they sort of, well, if he’d known racial switched

1:30:55 – Fredo
on was, he wouldn’t have been so trustworthy.

1:30:59 – Edgar OtraVez
Maybe? Who knows? Yeah, we’ll see what they do with the show. Right? Maybe they can do something in the show where they, because they’ve been doing real, like Disney, in general has done a real good job of like, retconning shear and making it so that the fans don’t freak out. Right? Because I mean, look what they did like not to talk about what we want, but look what they did with Obi Wan in terms of like, I am no the master and you’re the student or whatever. You know, like all that shit. Anyway. Yeah, I’m super excited. Looking forward to that.

1:31:28 – Fredo
Is there one one that you’re the most excited for? Like if I had

1:31:31 – Edgar OtraVez
to choose one movie that I can only watch just

1:31:33 – Fredo
based off what Nick does the title or just

1:31:37 – Cousin Primo
the face five?

1:31:38 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah. Like if I can only pick one thing to watch?

1:31:43 – Cousin Primo
Well, you would have to pick like

1:31:46 – Fredo
the most like as you’re painting. Simon meter

1:31:50 – Edgar OtraVez
for Phase Five. Yeah, that including conda. Of course. Because that’s part that’s yeah, that’s for supposedly right. I would say I think I’m really really really, really looking forward to Loki. Wow. Me too. Yeah. I mean, I like like everything. I’m gonna watch everything. I’m gonna watch everything. I’ll be honest, I haven’t watched out of phase four. I didn’t watch Eternals I watched. Yeah, I’ve heard I’ve heard that.

1:32:18 – Cousin Primo
And that’s gonna tie in with Guardians of the Galaxy. And because they’re bringing

1:32:22 – Fredo
animals in and post credit on a Eternals also introduced? I don’t know the the night guy. No. Yeah. And he plays a part in Blade.

1:32:34 – Cousin Primo
Okay. Oh, you mean black night? Yeah. Black night? That’s right.

1:32:36 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah. So I gotta watch that, but I’ll get to it. I just people will talk about it. And in terms of like, I wasn’t the strongest movie. So I was like

1:32:47 – Cousin Primo
it to tell you to there’s just a movie about it’s a candidate and what because they’re introducing the internals. Plus, they’re sort of setting up for the next phase, which was Black Knight meaning played, and then you’re also looking at,

1:33:02 – Edgar OtraVez
it’s just gonna be like another Thor moment where it’s just like, I’m gonna be forced to watch it later. And I

1:33:09 – Fredo
find it funny. They haven’t. No one has brought up the fact that there was a giant celestial coming out of the earth and like a hand is still sticking out. Yeah.

1:33:20 – Edgar OtraVez
I wouldn’t do that. That caused some kind of trouble. Maybe a tornado

1:33:25 – Cousin Primo
that mentioned that.

1:33:27 – Edgar OtraVez
No other movie has mentioned that nothing is mentioned. Nobody else has mentioned. Although I think Miss Marvel did I want to say that she did the show. Miss Marvel. Yeah, the show Miss

1:33:37 – Cousin Primo
Marvel. I mentioned this. A little you know, she did say she did say Oh, am I celestial? She did say that. I don’t know. Am I any human or something like that? I think she said something like,

1:33:48 – Edgar OtraVez
because she has her little animated weird. Movie Clip YouTube video. Yeah. And it looks funny, because I mean, you and I studied.

1:33:56 – Fredo
Like, there’s no way one person did all that. Exactly.

1:33:59 – Edgar OtraVez
That’s exactly what I was gonna say. Exactly. This is like, I know how hard this shit is. And I know how easy things are today. Yeah, that’s a lot of fucking work. You guys did. You did a lot of work to make it look crappy. That’s a lot of work. It looks fantastic. But there’s no way no

1:34:16 – Cousin Primo
animators over here like big picking a girl.

1:34:21 – Edgar OtraVez
You understand? That’s, that’s fantastic. I’ve seen student reels. That kid that kid has a future in animation.

1:34:30 – Fredo
If that’s the level of animation, she’s doing her her YouTube channel should be have millions of subscribers.

1:34:38 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah, Dan, just out of professionals and that even people who would enjoy the content, we’re talking about people like who do the thing and be like, Damn, look at this girl. She’s fantastic. You know? Yeah, higher. Exactly. Like, I think you and I were in college when someone like made an airplane, land on a car. And that that was like some kind of YouTube video that some and They made her day. Oh, yeah. And then they hired that guy. Yeah, it was just a simple like this airplane was landing and it landed on the car and he used it as his front wheels. And it was his job giant jumbo jet airplane and it look real. And then like Hollywood call them up and gave him a job.

1:35:16 – Fredo
Another thing that they mentioned in Miss Marvel that this guy and man was named Scott Scott Lang has a podcast. Yeah. And that’s basically how the world has been knowing about events. They’re gonna happen. They’re gonna bring up

1:35:33 – Edgar OtraVez
the podcast. Yeah, his podcasts not mine. I’m condominium. He’s gonna be a celebrity. Yeah, like

1:35:40 – Fredo
the world has been knowing about what’s been happening because yeah, this guy has a podcast. Stories of what the events that Oh, yes, yeah,

1:35:50 – Edgar OtraVez
I’m not just I’m not just a podcaster I’m also a podcast junkie. I would love to listen to them if I can do his podcast,

1:35:58 – Fredo
which I’m taking the quantum mania movie we’re probably because touch on that and

1:36:03 – Edgar OtraVez
they should just fucking me I’m gonna look but like, if they have it, they need to make that podcast.

1:36:09 – Fredo
I don’t know. Like get Paul Rudd it’s not a thing, but

1:36:13 – Edgar OtraVez
it should be a thing. It shouldn’t be. Paul Rudd should pretend to be Scott Lang and give him a fucking pocket anything

1:36:19 – Fredo
leading up to the ad man release. How perfect marketing wise. Yeah, like you start releasing do five

1:36:28 – Edgar OtraVez
shows five episodes. 25 minutes long. Let’s let fuckin Paul Rudd talk his ass off pretending to be Scott Lang talking about all the crazy stuff is hilarious.

1:36:38 – Cousin Primo
Like, tell stories of whom we were the Avengers. Yeah, like there are tell this story, his side of the story of him hitting that giant alien. Or

1:36:46 – Edgar OtraVez
I guess this could be the problem, right? Because then he could start riffing about like, like, like the color of you know, I don’t know, like, how the color doesn’t match on Captain America suit. Or something weird. And he’s just like, Dude, you can’t say that. But like they would it would have to be completely scripted. Oh, of course. Yeah. And it would it would just be another thing that they would have to keep track of. Like you wouldn’t be they wouldn’t be able to make like a 200 episode. Podcast? No. It would be it would be like,

1:37:15 – Cousin Primo
six half hour episodes. That’s it. Yeah. I said leave it at six.

1:37:19 – Edgar OtraVez
Six, and that already there would be too much. Because someone needs to be because there was gotta be someone who’s like, overarching story director.

1:37:28 – Fredo
I’d say if you were Paul Rudd watch every movie and just give us a summary of every movie. Oh, didn’t ask this podcast. Do do it in his style. His you know, I wasn’t

1:37:39 – Cousin Primo
in his movie, but I do. Yeah.

1:37:43 – Edgar OtraVez
You know, like, like, serious don’t

1:37:44 – Fredo
play it off as a movie. Just be like, Yeah, this is what happened and this is like director commentary.

1:37:49 – Edgar OtraVez
Except Yeah, you know, like, make it I don’t know found footage or something. Yeah, or maybe talk about a specific scene. You know that one scene where this guy did he dropped my coffee and

1:38:00 – Fredo
knew I was under house arrest during this but this is what I heard.

1:38:03 – Edgar OtraVez
Oh, you know what, Kiki just just do a podcast while he was at house arrest? Yeah. Every great No, because think about it. Like, I mean, this podcast kind of started. When we were we were all like, you know, basically, how’s the rest? You know, like, we’re all like, you know, in quarantine. Yeah, right. True. So like, I started the podcast before the quarantine started. I didn’t know quarantine was coming. But when we got quarantine

1:38:31 – Fredo
quarantine was

1:38:37 – Edgar OtraVez
was say like, like it would be a perfectly the dude stuck in the house. It could be zooming in with Captain America. Like that’s what he should do. He should be interviewing the other the other Avengers. That’s the show right there. Make me the show that made me the producer of their fucking show. Please. Make me the producer of that fucking podcast, please. Oh, yes, though. The app man podcast, dude. Yeah, that’s what he should do. He should be on that podcast interview and his friends, interviewing the other Avengers. All the other actors pretending to be the personas. That would be hilarious. Like he can review that little. That one guy who was fascinated by the Asian guy who was fascinated with the magic.

1:39:23 – Fredo
The guy who came out in one division. Yes. Yes.

1:39:25 – Edgar OtraVez
Like he can interview that guy. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you can interview Wanda, you can interview all these people. Like why not? You know? And just be like, hey, you know are you doing an

1:39:36 – Cousin Primo
interview the white vision

1:39:42 – Edgar OtraVez
boring weird as a podcast.

Dude, like, Oh, boy. Boy, it would be so fucking hilarious dude, desperately. Marvel please call me. That’s what his podcast needs to be. Dude, man, and you can have you We have Miss Marvel guest guest star on his podcast.

1:40:03 – Fredo
Would you know Miss Marvel?

1:40:05 – Edgar OtraVez
No, I would think that eventually he would

1:40:11 – Cousin Primo
she was he was at the funeral for Tony.

1:40:14 – Edgar OtraVez
No but Miss Marvel was Miss Marvel Captain Marvel Captain Marvel yeah oh captain or Miss Marvel would just sit there and nerd out a fan

1:40:20 – Fredo
of the podcast

1:40:21 – Cousin Primo
Yeah, so

1:40:22 – Edgar OtraVez
she would nerd out isn’t

1:40:23 – Fredo
gotten to the point where like she’s been in these like,

1:40:26 – Edgar OtraVez
yeah

1:40:28 – Cousin Primo
she hasn’t been in any of the major events Yeah,

1:40:29 – Edgar OtraVez
well, I mean she’s she’s just saved you just saved the street

1:40:34 – Cousin Primo
Yeah, but I’m talking like the movie why street

1:40:37 – Fredo
level at this right? Yeah.

1:40:39 – Edgar OtraVez
And man when might have heard her by now right? He could be interviewing all these people like he can interview the abomination you can interview Sheila Can you interview every single MCU character dude from from like the top tier superheroes to like the low level street level superheroes to that frickin receptionist at the fuckin at the interview all the Avengers fortress?

1:41:05 – Cousin Primo
I’m sorry chicken interview all of damage control. Yeah.

1:41:09 – Fredo
So you’re basically saying screw all these movies I want is a podcast from face.

1:41:16 – Cousin Primo
To face seven,

1:41:17 – Edgar OtraVez
that would be almost better than the face five.

I don’t know if I agree. Do I really like podcasts? That’s why I do one.

1:41:27 – Fredo
Did you see any of the like there’s like leak footage from the stuff that they showed a Comic Con from a man

1:41:34 – Edgar OtraVez
I’ve seen some things but I have not seen the quantum

1:41:37 – Cousin Primo
de vivre like them haven’t been interviewed or something they’re both interviewed. A man was went out there masks Oh really? Yeah. And they’re like full suits. And she’s like, No, you

1:41:47 – Fredo
weren’t there but apparently more dark isn’t it more

1:41:51 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah, the more dark there yeah the day ahead but he’s like giant homie supposedly

1:41:57 – Fredo
is the villain from I don’t It’s rumored right now but it’s the villain that he fought in the first and Man movie because you know he got oh yeah, so they’re made they might play on that where it’s like yeah, he got all deformed and because shrunken

1:42:14 – Edgar OtraVez
Oh ye Yellow Jacket is the guy yeah, he’s

1:42:17 – Fredo
saying that he’s coming back version of more maybe Yellow Jacket, just all deformed big head in because he got he got all messed up when he got shrunk. Like that’s fucking

1:42:27 – Edgar OtraVez
nuts. That’s and that guy was the

1:42:31 – Fredo
day they shown in the stories. He is confirmed to be in the movie, but nothing is known as far as what?

1:42:39 – Edgar OtraVez
So I don’t know much about MODOK in general. Like there’s a cartoon I’ve seen a couple episodes of I’ve seen him in comic books a little bit. That character is a wacky as fucking character. Yeah, like I don’t know if he’s ever played serious.

1:42:52 – Cousin Primo
He’s been he is a serious character. Because all I’ve seen

1:42:55 – Edgar OtraVez
is a he’s a frickin joke. Like a big joke, but not like a joke. Like, like a scary joke.

1:43:01 – Cousin Primo
But in a funny part, does it make them a joke?

1:43:03 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah, no, but you see, I’ve seen him like the other things I saw man. He’s again Gwenpool. winnable. He’s like his boss. She Modak is when Paul’s boss. Yeah. So she’s going around assassinating or doing shit for him. And it seems like she doesn’t want to but she’s got like, no choice. It’s and he’s he’s like a crazy person

1:43:25 – Cousin Primo
know who he is. He’s a professor. Yeah. And that was experimenting with some sort of some sort of serum that enhances his mental ability. Yeah, and it’s intelligence. Right? So what ended up happening was is that someone tampered with it and it just kept going, he just kept needing that. But his brain kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger.

1:43:46 – Edgar OtraVez
And his legs kept getting smaller and all his body stayed the same. And it’s not because babies are baby legs. Like yeah, he’s

just his ass. I don’t know.

1:43:58 – Cousin Primo
It’s a chair that he hovers on and it’s like he can he can ever be separated.

1:44:04 – Fredo
Yeah, I don’t see them doing the whole origin. I think it’s just more fanservice like Oh, there he is.

1:44:12 – Cousin Primo
Jacket and now just as

1:44:15 – Fredo
you see him he’s gonna squish or die they’re

1:44:17 – Cousin Primo
gonna kill him on the next University you’ll be somewhere I don’t know

1:44:22 – Fredo
there’s so much so much explaining that you would have to do like what what is this character? What is this?

1:44:27 – Edgar OtraVez
I think I think if you put them in quantum mania and make it like everything quantum in the quantum realm is nuts. Yeah, you can have a guy like that walk floating around

1:44:37 – Fredo
existing only within that world. Yeah, yeah.

1:44:41 – Edgar OtraVez
Whatever you wouldn’t have to explain anything is like okay, yeah.

1:44:45 – Cousin Primo
Like there’s a lot of rumors that they’re gonna probably introduced. Is Loki going to be after that movie?

1:44:54 – Fredo
Yeah, Loki season two.

1:44:55 – Cousin Primo
Yeah, yeah, it’s gonna be after that movie. Yeah, because in season one I know of oh and MN and Wasp movie. They go to the quantum realm. You see a city. Yeah. And that city is supposed to be the time.

1:45:12 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah, that realm that can’t isn’t Yeah, right. Yeah. The king castle or whatever it’s called

1:45:19 – Fredo
Quantum mania. Bill Murray.

1:45:20 – Cousin Primo
Finally said that he was gonna

1:45:24 – Fredo
show him that he’s like,

1:45:25 – Edgar OtraVez
some villain or something. Yeah.

I was like, oh, frogman

1:45:30 – Cousin Primo
told me he’s not progress. I have no idea what they’re saying they begin to introduce frogman into the MCU. And it’s just a guy in a in a pharma Frog Suit.

1:45:40 – Edgar OtraVez
No, he’s in. He’s in cheok. Yeah, right, frog man is a bummer. Yeah. And I think a lot of wacky super villains

1:45:48 – Cousin Primo
will find all kinds of, which is sad, because I mean, that’s how the comic was. And that was one of the reasons why I stopped writing. Because it was so like, her main villain was Mysterio. Okay. And all he did was like, put her in, like, virtual reality to get her to, like, get her blood or something that was ridiculous. I’m, like, get this

1:46:11 – Edgar OtraVez
though. I don’t know how they managed to do this. But every time I think of like, they’re gonna do that. That is a stupid premise. You know, that is just a stupid fucking idea. And then they really work out. They do it. And then I’m like, what? This is actually fantastic. It’s watchable, not only watchable. I think it’s one of my favorite things now. And they do it time and time again, I have 100 favorite movies than most of them out of the MCU. And as it’s like, how do you take such a ridiculous idea? And make it not only palatable, but also like, believable? Because I mean, think about it, a man in his pajamas, climbing walls and shooting web. If you think about it, it’s frickin ridiculous, right?

1:47:00 – Fredo
But I mean, we got bit by a spider

1:47:02 – Edgar OtraVez
web by spider. Yeah, how many kids after watching that movie went out and try to find a spider so that he had bid or something, you know, so they can have superpowers? Yeah. You know, it’s just, you know, I understand. And the crazy thing is, is because it’s comics, and people can do whatever the hell they want. And sometimes I wonder like, Why did you come up with the fact that there’s a condiment man? Like there’s a guy who’s

1:47:26 – Cousin Primo
Batman? Yeah, and Batman. Yeah, King Oh, yeah.

1:47:29 – Edgar OtraVez
condiment man or whatever it is, like his he shoots like your mustard and ketchup and mayonnaise that you like, that’s his thing. That’s, you know, like, DCP they see the like, that’s the stupid thing like I think, but then like they introduced it in,

1:47:45 – Fredo
give it to James Gunn, and he makes a master makes it fantastic.

1:47:50 – Edgar OtraVez
Luckily, there was suicide squad or peacemakers.

1:47:54 – Cousin Primo
peacemakers. peacemakers. Fantastic. If they put a peacemaker I’d be geeking Bucha. Mustard melts walls.

1:48:04 – Edgar OtraVez
Did you see like, I’m telling you, man,

1:48:06 – Fredo
you saw like, in the right hands. Anything works. Anything works. Yeah,

1:48:10 – Edgar OtraVez
yeah,

1:48:11 – Fredo
that’s crazy.

1:48:12 – Edgar OtraVez
Man. We’re talking about man pull get them in the stupidest idea ever. Fucking man. It was powered to stupid, his power. And they made it fantastic. That movie works.

1:48:23 – Fredo
It works within them moving in that I don’t understand

1:48:25 – Edgar OtraVez
what that movie is. Like more talked about? Yeah. I mean, there’s a giant. How you win eyeball

1:48:32 – Cousin Primo
thing is that it is talked about because they gave peacemakers own show. Yeah, for that reason. That’s right.

1:48:40 – Edgar OtraVez
That’s right. That’s right. And that Peacemaker show is fantastic

1:48:43 – Fredo
that and that only came about because of the pandemic now because this guy was stuck in in his house and but

1:48:50 – Edgar OtraVez
he also got fired. Yeah, because of whatever social media

1:48:53 – Fredo
is Suicide Squad. He was still he was still within that world. Well,

1:48:57 – Edgar OtraVez
James Gunn James Gunn had gotten fired from Marvel but

1:49:00 – Fredo
he had gotten hired before before he missed Suicide Squad everyone came out

1:49:04 – Edgar OtraVez
No I think I think there were there were already talks they were already in talks like like they fired him. And then DC is like fucking Hey, you want to work for

1:49:12 – Fredo
us? And then Marvel was back? Yeah, but I know.

1:49:18 – Edgar OtraVez
They’re like oh, well we regret that can you come back please? It’s like only going

1:49:22 – Fredo
to help guardians three. Yeah, because he’s already got all this other like experience from other universities and and it’s just as like just as much more

1:49:33 – Edgar OtraVez
to just just make it as crazy as possible please give it to James Gunn.

1:49:39 – Fredo
He said that this one is going to focus more on Rocket Raccoon in his origin

1:49:43 – Edgar OtraVez
nice all this shit they did he did. Yeah. I don’t know. Like if you have a crazy premise just give it to James Gunn

1:49:52 – Cousin Primo
today actually mentioned they’re gonna introduce Adam Warlock yet. No. Yeah, they got they showed the actor who’s gonna play it right know who he is. But is he actually going Make an actual appearance. Not yet. He’s because Eternals

1:50:04 – Edgar OtraVez
who you’re talking to more like, oh, I

1:50:06 – Cousin Primo
had more luck. Okay. And

1:50:08 – Fredo
he was teased in volume to

1:50:10 – Cousin Primo
it, right? Yeah. Actually no more like is is a founding member of the Infinity watch. Okay, and he and his team he had troll which does small little drunk troll thing and Starfox or Foxfire whatever his name is who actually established his brother?

1:50:32 – Fredo
Is it? No, he’s the guy who came out and Eternals the post credit right?

1:50:35 – Cousin Primo
They lost the last two guys. Yeah.

1:50:38 – Edgar OtraVez
I didn’t watch it. Now. You know, I have to go watch it.

1:50:42 – Cousin Primo
Yeah, because he forms a team the Infinity War.

1:50:43 – Edgar OtraVez
Well, like I don’t even like this is this is crazy, because I thought I was a big comic book nerd. But you keep dropping knowledge right now. I can’t believe how much more you know about this shit. I read a lot, dude. Like if you need to watch I don’t even know. I’ve never even heard of that shit.

1:50:57 – Cousin Primo
That’s fucking while it’s the same destroyer here.

1:51:00 – Fredo
You remember the Infinity? I mean, what do you mean? That was Infinity War infinity gone. And then yeah, I

1:51:06 – Edgar OtraVez
remember that. But I don’t know who

infinity watch was a huge the biggest thing in

1:51:11 – Fredo
the whole

1:51:12 – Edgar OtraVez
I never was I never read the comics. I actually tried to go read the comics recently and it’s a hard read.

1:51:18 – Fredo
Especially close fuck

1:51:21 – Edgar OtraVez
well, not only that, but like the the conversations that it’s very a dialogue is very hard. Yeah. It’s just like, nobody talks like this man. Try reading like

1:51:31 – Fredo
golden age. Like of the 60s.

1:51:34 – Cousin Primo
I got the whole series of Amazing Spider Man. And I’m starting from like, I’m still in like, issue seven. Yeah, because I’m like true believers. This is bad writing.

1:51:46 – Edgar OtraVez
Oh, dude. It’s like how did this guy get keep selling comics?

1:51:50 – Fredo
Well, it’s it’s a like time capsule. Like you have to be you had to have been a kid in that time. You have

1:51:59 – Edgar OtraVez
to be free. I have to be a kid. And you have to be from that time. Yeah, kids today would be like, this is garbage. Like I like trust me. I know. Because I tried to read some of this shit to my kids. My kids like this is hard.

1:52:11 – Cousin Primo
Like I told you I went to go look for that book. Remember the one book we were talking about? Which one? The last Ronin

1:52:17 – Edgar OtraVez
Oh yeah,

1:52:18 – Cousin Primo
I went I actually went

1:52:20 – Fredo
not to get off there. But yeah, I haven’t read comics in a while, like an hour long. Yeah, I’ve read the last one. And that was that like they’re making a movie

1:52:29 – Cousin Primo
sci fi stories now. Yeah.

1:52:31 – Edgar OtraVez
So wait a minute. So the last run and did you like it? Oh, yeah, I mean, okay, I gotta read turtle.

Yeah, you gotta read it. Okay, well,

not to get off topic, but we’ll I’ll read this and then we’ll do an episode on turtles in general. Yeah. For sure. But anyway, okay, so

1:52:48 – Fredo
I haven’t stepped in a comic book shop in until this series dropped because I wanted to get all the issues Yeah, I grabbed all the issues.

1:52:57 – Cousin Primo
Oh, it was a bit it’s a big thing. It’s like waiter grab burying

1:53:00 – Fredo
covers.

1:53:03 – Cousin Primo
I got doing shit. Like I was like, I bought I told I told him I bought one issue. And I stopped and I said I’m gonna wait to have a whole thing so I can read it.

1:53:17 – Edgar OtraVez
You understand? Like there’s there’s levels to this because there’s there’s a way to there’s like the more like

1:53:24 – Cousin Primo
high res version there’s also a phone was it a foil cover version of it? Yeah. And then there’s like

1:53:33 – Edgar OtraVez
so so like for the people who are not nerds nerds for the cool people that are still listening

1:53:44 – Cousin Primo
you gave up on the nerds

1:53:46 – Edgar OtraVez
are in like Yes Tell us more please. Real nerdy people are like why are you telling me shit Ira now yeah, the cool people like Trish is melting my fucking brain. These guys are fucking nerds.

1:53:59 – Cousin Primo
They’re so fake. This version.

1:54:02 – Edgar OtraVez
If I if I fuck you see this guy in the studio kick his ass just for being a nerd. Now.

1:54:07 – Fredo
We lost those people.

1:54:09 – Edgar OtraVez
We lost those guys episode for Marvel Marvel Cinematic Universe. MCU. Yeah.

Yeah, the jujitsu guys are like we’re not fucking listening to this. Yeah, this is okay. So anyway, the next one will have a jujitsu episode eventually. But not like, no, but like, no, there’s levels to this, right? Because like, if you’re if you’re this kind of comic book collector, you’re going to collect every issue every variant issue because there’s different covers, right, and there’s gold versions. And this artists made this version cover and this other artists made this other version. And then there’s versions where it says I won’t. I don’t know if they did this with turtle but there’s versions where you’re like, you get all the covers, you put them together they make one giant poster that you’ll never put together, you know? And so like you have to open the flaps of the books and If you put them all together, you have one long cover. And yeah, and then and then there’s the guys. And then there’s the guys. There’s the guys who don’t have the time for all that shit, but are still huge nerds. And they want to be like well you know what I want one book all collected all in one volume so I can put on my shelf after I read in a show it there and show everybody where we’re having my shit. Yeah, nice. Yeah, and but like the guy who collects every issue, he’s gonna get the plastic. He’s gonna put it in the plastic bag with a cardboard in the back.

1:55:35 – Fredo
And he’s the ducks. Because this turtles comic is they call them magazine size so they don’t fit a trash bag it’s like, I don’t know why he decided like they printed it on a bigger size paper. I’ll tell you what your traditional kind of I’ll tell you why. So it’s suck. Putting these things in baggies

1:56:02 – Edgar OtraVez
then let me tell you, let me tell you why

1:56:04 – Cousin Primo
can you tie it

1:56:06 – Edgar OtraVez
up because it’s harder to keep them in condition. So now nobody’s gonna have a mint condition because there’s no way you’re not gonna fuck him so fucking I didn’t even read the prints that I got digital he bought the digital was it’s gonna it’s gonna make it’s gonna make it crazy. Yeah, he’s no he’s right. You even grab tweezers Yeah, Burnham page. Yeah, you had to be fucking careful. Because it like anything will crack it.

1:56:41 – Cousin Primo
That’s true. Yeah. Made the last No,

1:56:44 – Edgar OtraVez
dude like that’s why he did it so that nobody hasn’t been by haven’t been there and that’s all he meant. He’s gotta you gotta get them certified Mr. Fight. Yeah, that’s, that’s another thing, which is a whole nother process for grading is yeah, you gotta send it out to someone. Someone’s gonna be like, Oh, yes, this is true. nerdiness certified. Awesome.

1:57:04 – Cousin Primo
The number Yeah, it doesn’t have a barcode. It does have barcode, your and if it doesn’t, you’re screwed.

1:57:12 – Fredo
But it’s a good show. Good series, I really

1:57:14 – Edgar OtraVez
well, like the way I collect comics is just like, I want the story. Right? And so I just, and I don’t have the shelf space for it. I mean, look at look at how much should I have here, it’s got to be real special for me to get it, especially now. You mean physically, physically. So then I will just get a digital copy. And if I really, really, I have to really, really, really dig it. And if I really, really dig it, then I’ll get a collective compilation, right the volumes that we’re talking about. But that’s as far as I go.

1:57:45 – Fredo
I’m kind of there with you. I mean, I don’t I do.

1:57:49 – Edgar OtraVez
Turtles fan so I really I really depth they really

1:57:53 – Fredo
dive deep and last run and I just went all out and

1:57:58 – Cousin Primo
yeah, but I just bought the big one with the the hardcover foil cover. Yeah. And I just read through like the first con book. I’m like, Okay, I’m gonna stop, because I’m just gonna read through the whole thing. Yeah, that I don’t want that. So I’ve read like maybe three issues into it.

1:58:12 – Edgar OtraVez
So I’ll probably get that and probably read it myself. But like one of the books that I have, I think you can see here Yeah, I have kickass

1:58:19 – Fredo
tickets the original one because they you know, they read Bucha

1:58:23 – Edgar OtraVez
know the original one. Yeah, yeah, I got one and two. And I know

1:58:26 – Fredo
they got there’s a three and there’s a kick as the

1:58:29 – Edgar OtraVez
hero and there’s a Hit Girl. I don’t have hit girl. Yeah, but like,

1:58:33 – Fredo
they re they read the kick ass or she’s a

1:58:37 – Edgar OtraVez
girl. Yeah, and that’s a veer off topic, but I showed the kids kickass one the movie Yeah, and they fucking loved it. Yeah. I’m a poor I’m a bad dad. But anyway, so Anyway, moving on to phase six and then we’ll finish this up. Moving on. There’s not much to talk about phase six.

1:58:53 – Fredo
Talk about how faced by event Thunderbolts or yeah we

1:58:57 – Edgar OtraVez
mentioned Thunderbolts we didn’t dive too deep into

1:59:01 – Fredo
Thunderbolt like who is Thunderbolt

1:59:03 – Edgar OtraVez
like the Thunderbolts are like it’s like a darker version

1:59:05 – Fredo
of Avengers Yeah, it’s

1:59:07 – Edgar OtraVez
basically like the Suicide Squad

1:59:09 – Cousin Primo
criminals yeah change their identities to become kind of

1:59:14 – Fredo
started already recruiting Yeah, right because they got name Yeah,

1:59:19 – Edgar OtraVez
they got that one guy was that you

1:59:20 – Fredo
know they got us agent Julia Louis Dreyfus. Yeah, around. I don’t know what her character name is.

1:59:27 – Edgar OtraVez
I forget. I forget. I don’t know either. But she’s

1:59:30 – Cousin Primo
the blonde girl who is selling weapons. She is one star. And she becomes some other character when she becomes one of the members of the Thunderbolts as well as Baron zumo is actually Baron

1:59:41 – Edgar OtraVez
zumo Baron ximo Zima ximo is going to be part of the thumpers in the Falcon show. Yeah, right. And he because and then us agent is going to be part of it too. Often the phone can show I guess the guy who plays general, free It was named Ross. Yes. I guess he’s dead.

1:59:58 – Cousin Primo
The actor past Yeah. Because yeah re Kindle him as the Red Hulk.

2:00:03 – Edgar OtraVez
No, he’s he passed away in real life right the actor died. Yeah.

2:00:08 – Cousin Primo
Right But General Ross he became he became a becomes.

2:00:12 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah, but how are you gonna cast that guy? Unless you recast you’re gonna have to recast either recast. Yeah. Or you give it to somebody else you give it to someone else in

2:00:20 – Fredo
the MCU for a while. Yeah, kind of harder.

2:00:24 – Edgar OtraVez
It’s too bad because it I mean, we were waiting for that payoff. Yeah, you know, so it’s too bad but anyway, but that’s who those guys are. I don’t know who else they would put in there. I guess I guess the new Black Widow.

2:00:37 – Cousin Primo
Daniel Blackwood was part of that team as well as Spider Man criminal known as the beetle. He actually is a member of that same team as well some guy called Giant Man or something yeah giant the second giant man who was a criminal he becomes some superheroes Well,

2:00:58 – Edgar OtraVez
well, I mean Giant Man has already been introduced. Right? All you know who they’ll have to have that girl at? What’s your name? The ghost or whatever? That was in the first name. And then the second? Yeah. Oh, ghost. Is that her name? So like, she’ll probably be part of it. I think that’s a good villain that you could have because

2:01:16 – Cousin Primo
the whole point about donor balls is that it’s criminals who change their identity. So how would you change your identity to

2:01:23 – Edgar OtraVez
she doesn’t really have one right? Right. Oh, no, no, no. Anyway

2:01:30 – Fredo
so interesting, because yeah, that’s how they’re ending the

2:01:33 – Edgar OtraVez
end. The director for that is JJ treat and that would be awesome. But the director for that is Jake Schreier. And he the only other movie that I could see on here that that is of interest or that I know of is Robert and Frank. That’s a short film, I think. No, that’s that’s a full movie. Yeah. But like I never saw it and it’s supposed to be like an interesting movie where this older man kind of you know, like, becomes in the beard or whatever with with with a robot

2:02:06 – Cousin Primo
all this I think I seen that as a small little robot or something like Yeah, little

2:02:11 – Edgar OtraVez
robot. It’s it’s like I don’t know much about it, but makes me want to go watch it just to kind of figure out what kind of storyteller

2:02:19 – Fredo
scissors and like, like, Young Avengers type of movie because well, everything leading up to

2:02:25 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah, we have Young Avengers cast members,

2:02:28 – Fredo
like, like meeting all these like younger

2:02:32 – Edgar OtraVez
heroes. Yeah. And so and they’re doing it faster than they’re introducing Marvel mucus

2:02:37 – Fredo
even at man the quantum mania is Cassie Lang is a big part of that movie and then you got it in your heart, the nursing phase? And then we got actually got that kid Loki from the series. Yep. And we got

2:02:52 – Edgar OtraVez
Miss Marvel and then we had all the Marvel’s then we have King we’re gonna have the

2:02:58 – Fredo
I’m just

2:02:59 – Cousin Primo
yeah, you have a

2:02:59 – Edgar OtraVez
king? No, yeah, there’s

2:03:01 – Cousin Primo
a there’s young King and the Young Avengers. Yeah,

2:03:04 – Edgar OtraVez
I forgot what the he’s like an Iron Man version. I forget what he’s

2:03:06 – Cousin Primo
called. So just actually, yeah, he does play Iron Man. Yeah, he’s

2:03:10 – Edgar OtraVez
an Iron Man. But iron lad, iron lad. That’s who he is. The king. One of the variants of King is an iron out is iron lead. So yeah, like there’s a lot of these characters that can be introduced into this plus

2:03:22 – Cousin Primo
discarded which is son? Yeah, well, the kids, right. Yeah. Week is in week,

2:03:29 – Edgar OtraVez
weekend and speed. So like both of those characters. So

2:03:33 – Fredo
yeah, it looks like they’ve gotten enough to make it younger. The Avengers

2:03:38 – Edgar OtraVez
is gonna be and you got America. Chavez? Yeah, yeah. And she’s

2:03:42 – Fredo
studying the

2:03:43 – Edgar OtraVez
the ways of the mystic arts

2:03:46 – Cousin Primo
because she Thor was part of that team too.

2:03:50 – Edgar OtraVez
Oh, young Thor. Or the little girl Thor love ya

2:03:54 – Fredo
love. Don’t cry.

2:03:57 – Cousin Primo
I’m trying to love this. You have the sword or she’s? She has she’s got all she has Bringer. Yes, yes.

2:04:05 – Edgar OtraVez
Yes. What? Stormbreaker Stormbreaker, Stormbreaker.

2:04:10 – Fredo
Yeah she’s got Stonebreaker the one that’s part group Yeah,

2:04:13 – Edgar OtraVez
she that’s what she has. And Tory got the old hammer yet yeah,

2:04:17 – Cousin Primo
no hammer back.

2:04:18 – Edgar OtraVez
But um, so Okay, so that’s maybe

2:04:20 – Fredo
they might be doing in phase six cuz there’s like I said, wait six starts with Fantastic Four. And then it’s just all these blank slates. Yeah, that end with two Avengers and

2:04:34 – Edgar OtraVez
we probably won’t find out what’s going on with that, I think until later. I mean, there’s still like,

2:04:38 – Fredo
there’s there’s a Disney event, Disney event, no conference covenant convention in September. So that’s when everybody’s speculating that we’re gonna get the full list.

2:04:50 – Edgar OtraVez
I don’t think so. They’re gonna wait to push that out. And then at the very least, they’ll

2:04:54 – Fredo
probably reveal fantastic forecasting.

2:04:58 – Edgar OtraVez
I think that would reveal fantastic forecasts. See, because we’re going to see some of these members as we go through these movies. In Phase Five.

2:05:05 – Cousin Primo
I hope they the guy who plays Richard stays is Reed Richards. Here past one time already,

2:05:10 – Edgar OtraVez
you’re talking about. What’s his name’s insky Krasinski?

2:05:14 – Fredo
Yeah.

2:05:15 – Cousin Primo
Because he was supposedly the for he was supposed to be the guy. He liked to be Captain America. And he turned it down.

2:05:21 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah. Because he was like, This is not me.

2:05:23 – Fredo
I thought he lost out to Chris Evans.

2:05:26 – Edgar OtraVez
No, it was something like, you know, Yeah, cuz he saw Thor walking around. He’s like, Chris Hemsworth was walking around, he had his shirt off, or whatever, or he was dressed as Thor or something. And we look around. And he’s like, what’s going on me? You know, and he walks by us. And he’s like, Yeah, this isn’t gonna work. No, I’m not Captain America material. Yeah, so he was like, forget it, you know, but I don’t know, there might just be a joke that he did for a talk show. But I think I think what they’re gonna do is they’re gonna give us they’re gonna give us trailers for some of these movies, and some of these shows that we’re talking about. In Phase Five, that’s what they’ll do. And maybe give us some hints. As for phase six, but they’re not gonna give us you don’t think they’re gonna give us movies. They’re not gonna give us anything for phase six, they’re not gonna give us any more think

2:06:15 – Cousin Primo
they will show trailers of anything.

2:06:17 – Fredo
At the very least, I think we’ll have a logo, and we’ll know what what everything is.

2:06:23 – Edgar OtraVez
I don’t think they’re gonna give us anything for phase six, I think we got what we’re gonna get for phase six, I think they’re gonna

2:06:28 – Cousin Primo
have the Fantastic Four. And then it’s going to turn like that this is going to be an X, though,

2:06:33 – Edgar OtraVez
I would be nice. If they like, I think what they would would be cool is that they give us more actors of who’s going to play what, like, here’s Wolverine. Here’s Colossus, here’s, you know, Nightcrawler. Here is, you know,

2:06:47 – Fredo
I don’t know, I think I think they’re gonna show give us mutants.

2:06:52 – Edgar OtraVez
There’s talk of a mutant movie, not X Men, but immune movie, just mutants. And that’s where we’re going to get the rest of the roster of X Men. But we’re going to get I think we’re what’s going to happen is as these movies progressed through Phase Five, and phase six, we’re gonna get people who will be part of the X Men, and we will get the full roster No, until until the X Men movie comes out or the mutant movie comes up. X Men the movie full on X Men movies, like we said phase seven, you know, phase seven and beyond. Yeah, we’re not going to get an X Men in this saga. I don’t think

2:07:34 – Fredo
What do you think these these last two Avengers movies are going to be about?

2:07:38 – Edgar OtraVez
From what I’ve heard the last two Avengers movies are like this are a similar version of what they did with Infinity War and endgame

2:07:47 – Fredo
one leads into the other one. Yeah, well, we’re gonna get

2:07:49 – Cousin Primo
a timeline. This is like, first is the dining the kingdom Qing Dynasty, which is the king war? Yeah. That the Avengers were involved in. Exactly. And then but that’s, that’s in the middle of the year. And, and then in November, November will be secret award.

2:08:06 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah. So we get we get, we get the cliffhanger ending. Where can just, you know, snap everybody or whatever. And then, and then now we go to the Secret Wars, where they have a battle world of all the different versions of the

2:08:23 – Cousin Primo
superheroes. That’s what I’m hoping for. Because if they do that, they have to be one of my favorite characters. And that’s the beyond they’re a celestial who just for the fuck of it decides I want to see who will actually when good guys or bad guys.

2:08:39 – Edgar OtraVez
But But King is going to be the,

2:08:43 – Fredo
you know, thinking king will play that role where yeah,

2:08:45 – Edgar OtraVez
he would have to play that role. But I don’t know if he’s going to be beyond her. There’s going to be king, but that’s

2:08:51 – Fredo
in the story, the person who’s putting them all against each other. And yeah, he

2:08:56 – Cousin Primo
does. He does. At one point he did control the multiverse. Yeah, that’s how he became king Gamper are not King to conquer.

2:09:03 – Fredo
And if you were to introduce mutants and X Men, I think the secret words is a big event where they

2:09:12 – Edgar OtraVez
will have mutants by then we’re gonna have we’re gonna have

2:09:17 – Fredo
characters full blown like X Men mutants, we’re

2:09:20 – Edgar OtraVez
we’re not going to have the X Men tonight. We’re not going to have an excellent we won’t have

2:09:25 – Fredo
a version of an X Men team with anything, we’ll have a certain grant from the universe that they’re already established. And whoa, as the audit we won’t,

2:09:33 – Edgar OtraVez
we’re not what I’m saying is we’re not going to have an X Men movie.

2:09:38 – Fredo
No, right? I’m just saying a team. We’re going to have some

2:09:41 – Edgar OtraVez
version of the team even if they’re not called X Men, but maybe there’ll be called X Men. And they’re going to be in that movie. And we’re going

2:09:47 – Fredo
if they’re they don’t progress further from their movie. Yeah, but we’ll have a team that is

2:09:53 – Edgar OtraVez
going to be X Men. X Men. Yeah, there’s going to be full on

2:09:57 – Cousin Primo
like my theory and phase and Phase six, they will introduce since because Deadpool supposed to make his appearance. Okay, so I would think they would introduce X Force.

2:10:07 – Fredo
Well, that’s another thing that was like there were there’s there’s three already announced movies that they have not announced that they haven’t shown in any of the release and which

2:10:19 – Cousin Primo
is which is

2:10:19 – Fredo
what? The armored wars? Yeah, they some like they it’s not that I heard is the one time and that was it Yeah, there was analysis and I think they’ve had like production issues issues with that. And Deadpool three is confirmed to be any of this right? It has been confirmed. Yeah, so that one still didn’t show up. That’s why I’m thinking the Disney convention will be one or they’ll go full blown eczema mutants here all the movies.

2:10:50 – Cousin Primo
Like I would like to see a cable movie.

2:10:52 – Edgar OtraVez
Well, you see, here’s the thing like that. Cuz the other thing too, is like, yeah, there’s a lot of slots that we don’t know about.

2:11:00 – Fredo
There was a werewolf. Disney show that’s a

2:11:04 – Cousin Primo
marvel. Werewolf by by by night. Yeah. And that was it was he’s also

2:11:11 – Fredo
like October this year. So when we’re on this list, and

2:11:16 – Edgar OtraVez
maybe there’s maybe they fill out a little bit more of Phase Five. Maybe there’s maybe there’s mutant shows on there that we don’t know about yet. Right. And they’re saving it. Because everybody’s waiting for X Men, right? Everybody wants mutants. They want X Men, X Men specifically, everyone wants to see mutants. They’re teasing us with mutant stuff. But everybody wants to see the X Men. So maybe you’re right, maybe, maybe maybe, maybe they announced a phase six. These are the X Men and here’s where they are. And they’re everywhere. And they’re and they’re in this movie and that movie, and here are the actors. Yeah. You know, this person’s you know, I

2:11:50 – Fredo
wouldn’t I wouldn’t, I would. Yeah, I was in gray. To be more like, a team. We don’t get a team until the until after all these phases. Yeah. But I think but I think we could get a team from a universe in their secret wars.

2:12:09 – Edgar OtraVez
I think I think you’re right. I think to a certain extent, they won’t

2:12:12 – Fredo
be the MCU X man but it’ll be an X mighty

2:12:15 – Edgar OtraVez
well, the more you’re talking the more you kind of bring bring some of the Fox

2:12:19 – Fredo
ones because it’s it oh,

2:12:21 – Edgar OtraVez
that’s you could do that. In Secret Wars, you’re gonna see some of these guys

2:12:27 – Cousin Primo
are busy Disney plus. Disney has acquired Fox. Yeah, right. Well, yeah. So you’re looking already? I definitely

2:12:36 – Fredo
want to get Patrick Stewart. Professor. Excellent. Yeah. All right.

2:12:40 – Edgar OtraVez
I mean, it’d be great if we got Cyclops. It’d be great. If we got that gene Gray. I would like to.

2:12:46 – Fredo
I prefer the older gene gray X Men first class. Oh, you

like that? Gene grid? Yeah, that group of X Men team. Excellent. Yeah.

2:12:56 – Cousin Primo
Which is the second team

2:12:57 – Edgar OtraVez
what you tell them? You don’t want to see how they bury a storm again? No, no? Good.

You didn’t like her accent? What accent? What are you talking about?

You know, the one that she picked up in the first episode or the first movie and then kind of lost or on the way?

2:13:13 – Fredo
Well, then again, I think what it was, did the same thing she kind of had, well, there was an

2:13:18 – Edgar OtraVez
explanation for that. They by law, check this out. So like, don’t forget that a Roero had an our relationship with the challah. They’re married actually. Yeah. So I don’t know how you’re going to do that. Because you know, there’s no two challah. But you know, saying like,

2:13:34 – Fredo
but you can have a version of salad. That’s another from another. Multiverse. Yeah, that’s a different actor,

2:13:43 – Edgar OtraVez
but like Storm is from Africa. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and so like, she like she has some kind of relationship going on with Wakanda. So she could, you know, maybe make an appearance even in Wakanda Wakanda. Forever, you know,

2:14:00 – Cousin Primo
like, I don’t know if you guys remember this movie, but it was one of the animated movies that came out called Avengers next. Yeah, remember that? Yeah. With the little kids. Little kids were like the next Avengers team and Black Widow Captain America had a kid. Yeah. Thor had a married one of the Valkyries and that daughter Yeah, I was asking him what is she she has the hammer or the sword. She has the because in the cartoon she

2:14:25 – Edgar OtraVez
she has a sword. Um, I think I think you’re right. I think that’s the big thing because they gave us a lot in the Comicon. They gave us a lot. And so like, what are you going to give us next? You write it has to be mutants, they’re going to tell us all the mutants

2:14:42 – Fredo
and I think they’re saving that for the Disney for the what better way your own event you want to you want the you want the more you want, the bigger you want to shut down someone then doing it. I never

2:14:55 – Edgar OtraVez
even thought of that. I never even figured that that would be a thing that they would do. because they’ve been teasing us. Yeah, they’ve been teasing us with immune talk all this time. And it’s it’s only getting worse.

2:15:08 – Cousin Primo
Yeah, it’s just a T with

2:15:10 – Fredo
this marvel mutation. It’s not it’s not coincidence. I think it’s all intentional. Yeah.

2:15:17 – Edgar OtraVez
So they’re doing a great job because I want it. I want mutants right now.

Dude, that’s awesome. That’s a great idea. Yeah, you got me, man. And you convinced me.

2:15:28 – Fredo
The Secret Wars though. It’s in the comics. There’s like, there was two Secret Wars, right? I remember the old Yeah,

2:15:35 – Cousin Primo
there was two of the original one was the one with the Beyonder. And then the second one was same thing it was a

2:15:44 – Fredo
newer version was doctored wasn’t Dr. Doom behind the

2:15:48 – Edgar OtraVez
Dr. Doom was was the harder one. Yeah. pulling the strings on that one. So

2:15:53 – Fredo
that just further like, makes me think that yeah, Dr. Doom

2:15:59 – Edgar OtraVez
is the ultimate bad guy. Yeah. And it’s not kidding.

2:16:03 – Fredo
We’ll get I don’t know, Doc.

2:16:08 – Edgar OtraVez
Or maybe it’s a two for like,

2:16:09 – Fredo
make me makes me think that we’re getting Dr. Doom like we have to get Dr. Doom soon.

2:16:14 – Edgar OtraVez
So what if it’s like, what is that? What does it mean? In the movies, it screen refers to people where it’s too bad guys. So it’s King and Dr. Doom, and the working in tandem. You know, like, it’s not enough that we have a multiple version of one bad guy, but now you have another bad guy working together. And so then, like Kang gets killed off in Qing Dynasty, and but it’s not over yet. Now they gotta go get rid of doom. You know, we have two bad guys like Scream. Good. Remember, screen was awesome. Because it was like, wait a minute what? It was like, how was he so fast as he teleport? Like, what the fuck is this wiki like

2:16:54 – Cousin Primo
Jason wants real fast.

2:16:57 – Edgar OtraVez
You know? I mean, that was that was a great idea. Like two killers. Yeah. So like now like, what have you have two bad guys? Two, two big bad guys. And so yeah, you have Fantastic Four. Right? Because we put Fantastic Four in front of Qing Dynasty,

2:17:13 – Fredo
that now that you also hear that fantastic for that they’re gonna skip the whole origin part. Yes. Yeah, they’re

2:17:22 – Edgar OtraVez
like, they’re not even going to explain how they have powers.

2:17:25 – Fredo
They’re just gonna be fantastic for writing. That’s great. Yeah, the same thing with Spider Man. Like, yeah, we’ve already had multiple

2:17:35 – Edgar OtraVez
cartoons. We don’t

2:17:39 – Cousin Primo
get up. Yeah, we

2:17:40 – Fredo
don’t get a retelling of

2:17:41 – Cousin Primo
Yeah,

2:17:42 – Edgar OtraVez
that’s great. I actually like that.

2:17:45 – Fredo
So it would fit with the casting of this guy, John Krasinski because he’s an older actor so yeah, you wouldn’t

need a younger

2:17:55 – Cousin Primo
alright plus they were already introduced them well version version you know, it’s the version that people have been asking for.

2:18:06 – Fredo
That’s it Yeah, the fan casting right he’s what we’re

2:18:09 – Edgar OtraVez
talking all this nonsense and then we’re completely wrong. And people get pissed off because it’s like I want to do bad guys. King and a dog to do team up against the universe or multiverse. Do that this is a super nerdy podcast episode. is never been this nerdy. I mean, we’ve gotten nerdy but

2:18:35 – Cousin Primo
this one is the name of the title as anybody show.

2:18:38 – Edgar OtraVez
Dirty episode super nerdy episode.

2:18:41 – Cousin Primo
Nerd nerd out at your own risk.

2:18:43 – Edgar OtraVez
Yeah. It was chock full of fucking nerd talk. Dude, this is fuck I’m excited now.

2:18:53 – Fredo
How long we’ve been talking for

2:18:56 – Edgar OtraVez
but dude like we don’t need the fucking podcast to do that shit like we like we have done this without recording this shit you know

2:19:05 – Fredo
true yeah, I’m excited

2:19:08 – Cousin Primo
you gonna cry

2:19:09 – Edgar OtraVez
no

2:19:11 – Cousin Primo
I got two bad guys. Yeah, no

2:19:14 – Edgar OtraVez
dude. No not

2:19:15 – Fredo
Ever regret bringing up the topic of moreover. Cinematic Universe as a yeah,

2:19:23 – Edgar OtraVez
now dude like a just put a father daughter or father and kids thing into any one of these stories and waterworks? Yeah, dude, like not to veer off topic, but we started watching this anime called spike versus family.

2:19:39 – Cousin Primo
Oh, yeah,

2:19:40 – Edgar OtraVez
that is good. Oh,

it’s a good show. Tears every episode every fucking episode. cartoon. I know. Dude, I cry cartoons. Dude, I

cried.

2:19:52 – Cousin Primo
I cried every fucking day when he killed Optimus

2:19:54 – Edgar OtraVez
Dude, I cried. I didn’t cry. You know, we didn’t cry my dad Yeah, my daddy great he was snoring.
Yeah, now do you can love movies, man. I mean, I love movies. I love this stuff a lot, you know like, but I love movies just in general like I get really engrossed in and movies and TV shows and stuff. I love stories. But anyway, man, um, I think we need a tie and we need to like, wrap this shit up. Yeah, we need Yeah, my wife was kind enough to make us burgers. So, okay, well here we go. Yeah, we gotta jump. All right, well, thank you so much for listening to this Edgar OtraVez My co hosts Cousin Primo and Fredo we will catch you next time.

2:20:45 – Cousin Primo
We’ll see you on the nerd side. There you go. Laters

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